Pending titles with major markets left to open: The Girl in the Spider’s Web | The Nutcracker and the Four Realms | White Boy Rick | First Man | Suspiria
Because the film isn’t really tailored to Asia. Its main asset is it being one of the few films in recent Hollywood history to have a majority Asian cast, which is meaningless in countries where plenty of local films have all-Asian casts. Also, China’s recent crackdown on the wealthy doesn’t help either.
What? No mention of Operation Finale? It’s amazing the movie didn’t do better. The story of nazis killing jews is definitely a topic that needs to be portrayed in a movie….every 3 months….
And it’s competing with “Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse”, “Mary Poppins Returns”, and “Aquaman”, all three being the big heavy hitters of Christmas. I think there’s ZERO chance it’s going to make it’s 100+ million dollar budget back.
I don’t think that “Bumblebee” is going to be that big of a heavy hitter for Paramount. I am expecting it to make a decent profit, but not as much as the three big heavy hitters for Christmas.
It was released on Netflix, and the limited theatrical release was there just to support the film’s Netflix. There was NO information on the budget(from what I found), but I’m guessing it cost at least 150 million dollars to make. Regardless, thanks to the film’s Netflix release, it’s not going to lose money for Warner Bros.
Mojo says it went wide from 22 theaters Nov 20 to 807 theaters on Nov 21. In its first weekend November 23-25 it only earned $630,000; just over half of its total gross revenue so far. The only question isn’t whether The Front Runner is a critical and commercial bomb but whether it will still be in 22 theaters by the time “Vice” is released on Christmas Day. Starring Christian Bale as Dick Cheney, it’s this season’s other Oscar-bait American political biography movie.
I don’t see Vice doing very well either. The budget is way too high for a Dick Cheney biopic. That being said, awards season doesn’t seem to be too competitive so far.
Everything that seems to be hyped up this year before they come out die a somewhat quiet death, Green Book and First Man being the main ones that come to mind.
Box Office Mojo reports “Robin Hood” has grossed $14 million in its first 5 days of wide release in America and a few other countries on an estimated $100 million budget. It’s going to open in additional countries this upcoming weekend however, barring some kind of miracle for Lionsgate, there’s no way it will gross anywhere near $100 million.
Just because a movie flops financially, that doesn’t mean that the movie isn’t good. Green Book and Widows are some of my favorite movies to come out this year.
With a total of 800k at 1k locations, it’s time to close ‘Green Book’. And with a take of 14m and a 100m budget, it looks like ‘Robin Hood’ is shot, too.
Why do they bother to turn “The Nutcracker” into a movie? Every film version of the classic ballet has bombed miserably, including the Macaulay Culkin version and an ill-advised 3-D film. Now it’s Disney’s turn to find out that this property is box-office poison…
First Man won’t finish it’s run worlwide until it gets released in Colombia, Japan and Argentina. I hope the WW saves this movie, as it did, thankfully, to Alpha.
I don’t think that Widows is going to have a hard time doing that and I imagine that it will be playing for a while due to being one of the big Awards contenders. Instant Family will probably be another lesson in keeping the budget down. I mean, they spent $48 million on it! That’s way too high and I imagine it was mostly due to Wahlberg’s involvement.
Widows is just whether the mainstream will embrace it. Mediocre Cinemascore might drag it down a bit. Instant Family seems to have good word of mouth, but it really should have cost half of what it does.
I just hate how all of these awful big cash grab movies reel in the money while actual good movies are left to the wayside.
Suspiria was my second favourite movie of the year and it’s going to literally make make like 1 million dollars off of a 20 million budget not counting marketing.
Amazon doesn’t really need it to make money, the goal is just to get people talking about their stuff and their service, along with getting you eventually hooked into the Prime system.
Despite a way too long running time, Suspiria was such a fantastic watch. Completely bonkers filmmaking and I hope it gets a proper release in a few European markets.
Saw Suspiria at a small arthouse this weekend and it stuck with me, saw Bohemian Rhapsody afterwards and thought it was totally boring and paint by numbers.
I kind of envy all this big studio films or the Franchisee’s that make into breakeven even with Crappier films. I’m talking about Fantastic Beasts – Crimes of Grindelwald.
Mojo says “First Man” had a $59 Million production budget and took only $43.875 Million Domestic. It was moderately marketed so I’m only guessing but wouldn’t be surprised if those costs were around $20 Million. However, it looks like Foreign audiences ($50 Million) saved it from bombing. Should the studio thank the exclusion of an American flag-planting scene for that?
I concur with multiple people here, First Man is a massive bomb and I’m puzzled why it is not included. Even the trades have mentioned it as a Gosling October bomb that looks set to lose $50 million plus for the studio. Also, the P&A expenditure for First Man was, very, splashy and is reported at $45 million, not $20 million. Furthermore, with taxes, etc. you only receive a small portion of the foreign box office intake. So, at $50 million, you are looking at around $30 million. In order to make a profit, First Man would have to take in about $120 to $150 million WW.
Agreed. Unless it scores overseas(which is unlikely because of the heavy competition) and/or gets it’s Academy Award nominations, “First Man” is going to lose a decent amount of money for Universal. That is just sad. It only played at my local movie theater for two weeks, and when it got to it’s third week, it was gone! Even “Venom” is continuing to play at my local theater despite coming out before “First Man” did! It deserved to do better for sure.
Yeshsays
It still has a good 5 territories that can add another $20 mn at the least. So i think it has a chance for not being on this list.
The remaining territories for First Man are all very small and will contribute, at best, $5M. Patriotic themed films have never done well in those areas. China has already passed on a release date for it and is unlikely to reconsider. Also, there is no need to post multiple times under different names. We understand your point all the same and it isn’t going to change its likely addition to the list. There’s a reason why the industry trades have all included it as a bomb.
Dawn Martinez-Byrnesays
Looks like ‘Girl in the Spider’s Web’ is all wrapped up.
Widows should be fine assuming it doesnt completley flop next weekend. It did decently in the UK this week. Girl in the Spider’s Web is toast. Grindlewald will be saved by overseas but WB may want to reconsider the five film plan
Box Office predictions are now down a tiny bit to 60 million dollars on it’s opening weekend in the USA. It is a good start for sure, but considering that it cost a massive 200 million dollars to make, it might need to do better than that. Speaking of which, I saw “The Crimes Of Grindelwald” today. It’s not by any means an AWFUL sequel, but it’s very, VERY average. It has very little action compared to the first film(which I quite liked) and is quite boring in places. I still think it has enough legs to make it’s budget back in the USA, and it will do VERY well overseas, but I will agree, Warner Bros. might need to reconsider their 5 film strategy there. At least it was better than “Justice League”(despite opening with 30 million dollars more(90 million dollars), but costing 100 million dollars more(300 MILLION DOLLARS!).)!
Nothing would make me happier than adding another lousy, deep state worshiping Peter Berg movie to the site but it appears it did cost about $35M and not $50M. It was set up as a low budget feature, but when STX landed Wahlberg for 3/4 of his normal salary, the budget tripled to $35M. The poor reception hopefully killed off the planned trilogy.
What i think will be the flops list for this year: January: Proud Mary. February: Early Man. March: Death Wish, A Wrinkle In Time, Pacific Rim Uprising, Sherlock Gnomes. April: Sgt. Stubby An American Hero. May: Solo A Star Wars Story. June: Adrift, Action Point, Hotel Artemis, Superfly. August: The Spy Who Dumped Me, The Darkest Minds, Dog Days, Mike 22, Alpha, The Happytime Murders, A.X.L., Papillon, Kin. September: Peppermint, The Predator, White Boy Rick, Fahrenheit 11/9, Life Itself. October: Bad Times At The El Royale, Hunter Killer. November: The Nutcracker And The Four Realms, Overlord, Robin Hood. December: Mortal Engines, Welcome To Marwen. That’s 33 flops this year.
Well, I think Overlord is going to be on this list. I know it doesn’t come out until Friday but it costs $38 million and it has stiff competition. I just don’t see it doing well enough to make a profit. I’m surprised that Paramount didn’t just sell this one off to Netflux like they did with The Cloverfield Paradox.
Not according to BOM, also doesn’t scream to me as a international play. Has to make at least double globally to have a shot, and I personally don’t think the other territories will make up for it.
And everyone who wonders if First Man was too political, it wasn’t that which killed it. The ads didn’t look interesting and neither was the film.
In agreement with the other contributor, El Royale is not a bomb and will not make the list. It’s done enough to avoid the bullet already and films like that overindex in the secondary market. Does not fit the website’s criteria, which BOM supports. No need for further discussion about it.
I also concur that First Man is dead and should be an immediate addition to the list. It’s another October bomb for Ryan Gosling. Hunter Killer is another one destined for the list.
Has already made its $30 million budget back with more international territories to roll out. With SVOD, cable rights, and DVD sales it will be in the black. Not a bomb, and thus appropriately not on the list. First Man, however, has a great shot at making the list.
As of 10/31 El Royale has grossed less than $28 million worldwide and is not likely to make much more. The studio will see back approximately $15.4 million of that. The production budget is $32 million not including P&A costs. The film will definitely not make back a penny of its production costs in release at the theater and will probably lose some of the P&A. It may not be considered a “bomb”, but it is still going to lose money even after VOD, cable and DVD/Blu sales.
Your math is flawed at multiple points, but that’s a discussion for another venue. El Royale’s international rollout, which is slightly higher than you stated because boxofficemojo updates weekly, is in its beginning stages and will continue into next year. Currently, Its international totals are skewing identical to other similar films and there is no reason to believe VOD, cable, and DVD/blu sales won’t mirror those established comparisons. When all is finalized, it’ll certainly be in the black.
But none of what I stated is particularly relevant in context to this website which declares if a movie is a bomb or not. As you stated yourself, and I agree, El Royale is not considered a bomb and, appropriately, will not be included on the list. That’s what’s important here, not trying to debate whose logic getting to the same conclusion is more exact.
Anonymoussays
Not sure where you find flawed math. You incorrectly stated that the movie had made its $30 Million dollar budget back. The studio has in fact only made back 55% of the film’s current grosses of around $28 million – which is $15.4 million. The budget has not been made back as P&A costs must be paid off first, and it is certain that they invested over $15.4 million in that area.
The movie does have 6 more countries in which to open, however, they are not major markets. I agree they will help to partially pay down the production budget. Unless you are privy to the P&A spend on the movie it is impossible to tell how much of the budget will be met and state that the movie will certainly be in the black. That is all I was clarifying.
P&A expenditures for every film are readily available and reported by the trades as well as websites such as the numbers. They are also reaffirmed in a studio’s quarterly profile. Again, I am not going to argue math with you because this is not the intention here. However, it is very possible to make conclusions on a film’s projection and potential profitability based on established trends and models. El Royale has made its $30M budget back already with international markets included and based on its model, will be in the black when VOD, cable, and streaming is included. There seems to be a misconception about concepts here, which is causing your confusion, but again that is for another venue.
What is important here is your statement, which I agree with, that El Royale is not a bomb and will not be included on the list. I would also ask kindly to refrain from using multiple user names in this particular discussion. Especially one that is an, exact, duplication of someone else. It just confuses those who want to follow along.
Anonymoussays
So apparently my math wasn’t flawed: https://bombreport.com/yearly-breakdowns/2018-2/bad-times-at-the-el-royale/ And to clarify, the budget of the movie was $32M not $30M. Despite the further revenue streams you mention, the movie will still end up losing money as the cable pays less for movies that are not hits at the box office. Even after the VOD etc. are taken into effect, the movie will still be in the red.
Shine and London Fields are both budgeted well under $20 million so they won’t end up on this list. You’re right though, GVN is not doing well at all right now.
The way the new Johnny English movie coming out, looks like it’ll be another bust, since nobody didn’t care about the first two here in the US, anyway!!!
Due to complications with Annapurna, Netflix was given the rights to broadcast MGM’s Operation Finale internationally. I do suspect that those rights would eventually go back to MGM becuz…..well, MGM is MGM.
Just so you know, I made the comment, so ignore “Anonymous”. Also, Smallfoot has made $110 million today so it does have a chance of breaking even. I didn’t know Annihilation was sold to Netflix internationally either, but it did fail at the US box office. Other than that, The Predator, A.X.L, and Gotti are definite flops.
More flops this year:
Smallfoot (because Box Office Mojo did not have the production budget on their site, I had to check Google, and it has a budget of $80 million, and while it’s still in theaters, it has only grossed $88 million and keeps making less and less money)
The Predator (budget of $88 million according to Box Office Mojo, and just like Smallfoot, it’s still in theaters, and it has only made $123 million, and people are losing interest in seeing it)
Annihilation (budget of $40 million according to Box Office Mojo, made only $32 million)
A.X.L (according to Google, it has a budget of around $10 million, and has only made $6 million)
Mile 22 (closed domestic run, budget of $50 million according to Box Office Mojo, and made $59 million)
Alpha (budget of $51 million according to Box Office Mojo, made $79 million)
White Boy Rick (budget of $29 million according to Box Office Mojo, made $23 million)
Gotti ($10 million budget according to Google, made $4 million)
Mile 22, Alpha, and White Boy Rick are up top as waiting for their international box office to be finished before being added. Annihilation was sold to Netflix internationally, so it’s probably fine financially. Feel like it’s too early to tell for Smallfoot, but I think it might break-even in the end.
Sherlock Gnomes was a flop? Wow! It was actually a good movie. My kids enjoyed it very much. Very surprising. I never heard of the Hurricane Heist movie. Probably explains why it flopped.
in November, i can see The Nutcracker And The Four Realms and Robin Hood flopping and in December, i can see Mortal Engines and Welcome To Marwen flopping.
Disney has another “A Wrinkle In Time” in their hands with “The Nutcracker And The Four Realms”. It’s VERY obvious that the film cost at LEAST 100 million dollars to make, and I doubt it will make it back in the USA. And it will also have a hard time overseas due to all the competition it has, especially with it’s family audience(“The Grinch”(2018) and “Ralph Breaks The Internet”(the latter also coming from Disney)) and will end up losing money for Disney. Did I mention it looks like it focuses more on it’s visuals than it’s ACTUAL STORY?
“Robin Hood”(2018) will do terribly for Lionsgate. I can easily tell that the budget was somewhere in the 90-100 million dollar range(which is admittedly less than the huge 200 million dollar budget that Ridley Scott’s “Robin Hood” film had(and that was from 8 years ago(2010). Of course, it also became a flop for Universal, but it was a rather small one at that.) and I think that the film will make around HALF of that worldwide. Add in the fact that there’s a TON of competition(“Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes Of Grindelwald”, “Creed II”, the aforementioned “Ralph Breaks The Internet”, and several others) and the film is destined for failure. And another franchise non-starter for Lionsgate. Not to mention that the film reminds me of the “King Arthur” film that became a MASSIVE flop last year. And NOT in a good way.
“Mortal Engines” will just become another YA franchise non-starter, and will easily be lost and forgotten about during the holiday season. Sure, Peter Jackson is involved in the film(he produced the film and also wrote the script), but there are LITTLE TO NO big name stars(with Hugo Weaving being the ONLY big name actor in this film), a first time director(Christian Rivers, who before making this film, he only worked as a visual effects supervisor for Weta Digital), and the trailers constantly showing off the visuals more than the ACTUAL STORY, and that’s a big sign that the film is NOT going to end up well. Not to mention that this film has an estimated budget of 100 million dollars, which I’m very sure the film will not make back. Add in tons of competition that Christmas(“Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse”, “Mary Poppins Returns”, “Aquaman”, “Bumblebee”, and a few others), and this film is going to not last long in theaters. Enough said.
“Welcome to Marwen” looks just plain ODD, and will also last for a short amount of time during the holiday season. Robert Zemeckis has been in a bad spot recently, with both “The Walk” and “Allied” flopping at the box office. Sure, the animation style the film is VERY unique, but it’s also very WEIRD as a result. I can see the film’s budget being somewhere in the 70-80 million dollar range, and I doubt it will make ANY of it back. Add in the competition that the film has(which I already talked about when I talked about “Mortal Engines”, so I will not talk about it again.) and this film will be another money loser for Universal. Speaking of Universal, yes! Both “Mortal Engines” and “Welcome to Marwen” are their big Christmas releases! And both of the will flop and lose money for them! Way to go!(of course, I was being sarcastic.)
On the hand, let’s talk about the good stuff.
“Bohemian Rhapsody” will end up making a clean profit for Fox, and Queen fans will definitely flock to see it.
“The Grinch”(2018) will end up being another huge hit for Illumination/Universal.
“Overlord” will be a sleeper hit for Paramount.
“The Girl In The Spider’s Web” could make some money for Sony.
“Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes Of Grindelwald” will become another box office winner for Warner Bros., and will be their highest grossing film this year.
“Widows” will do well enough for Fox and will end up being talked about A LOT for next year’s Academy Awards.
“Ralph Breaks The Internet” will be another hit for Disney.
“Creed II” will do good enough at the box office for MGM.
“Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse” will do VERY well for Sony and will end up being Sony Pictures Animation’s highest grossing film ever if it does well.
“Mary Poppins Returns” will be a HUGE hit for Disney.
“Aquaman” will make a good profit for Warner Bros.
“Bumblebee” will make a solid profit for Paramount.
If The Predator doesn’t start making more money overseas, it’s going to end up on here too. Once again, I guess most people aren’t interested in the Predator franchise.
Jeez, Lionsgate and STX are really having a rough year. And from looking at their release schedules, they won’t have it any better (maybe barring Second Act).
The reason A Wrinkle In Time bombed was because the director found it necessary to change the book. Sure, she stuck to the basic story but she made a number of changes that DIDN’T follow the story to make it more “relatable” and to promote her own social agenda. Margaret Murry was described in the book as being skinny, freckled with mousy brown, stringy hair. The Murry family had two other children besides Meg and Charles Wallace–twins named Sandy & Denys. The Murry family lived in an old New England farmhouse NOT in LA. The three “witches” in the book first appeared to the Murry children as three old ladies–in particular, tramps or homeless people and not beautiful, made up creatures. While these details seem minor to some people, they make a difference in the “feel” of a movie. For those of us who actually read “A Wrinkle in Time” (along with the other three books in the series (A Wind in the Door, A Swiftly Tilting Planet, Many Waters etc.) it makes all the difference in the world. I also don’t feel it was necessary to change the race of the characters in order to make them “relatable”. Everyone on this planet who’s ever felt different, odd or that they just didn’t fit in and has been bullied for it can relate to Meg no matter what color they are. And the sideline about Meg’s bully feeling bad about herself by showing her alone in her room standing on the scale looking dejected NEVER appeared in the book either. If the director was trying to make her point, she beat it to death with a stick. I’m sure if Madeline L’Engle were alive she would tell you herself, “Don’t re-write my book!” Books like the Harry Potter series translated to audiences well because the author is still alive and could be consulted regarding the look of the actors, the set design, the special affects etc. Ms. L’Engle was totally against having her books set to film because she believed that a child’s imagination was limitless as to what the characters, the Murray’s home, the different planets and what it looked and felt like when you tesser couldn’t be captured on film. The only example of a children’s series of books that succeeded without being able to consult the author was C.S. Lewis’s, The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe and that was successful because they stuck to the story as it was written.
It was a mixture of no one caring about the source material anyways now and the fact that all of the original spiritual context was deemphasized, alienating both the remaining few fans of the book and religious folks. Pure location and looks being changed aren’t really important, it’s the heart of the story that counts. Besides, skin color and location don’t seem to have been really key points in the first place.
It dropped 87% because it lost over 1,500 theaters. Despite being in the minority that really enjoyed The Happytime Murders, it definitely deserves a spot on this list. There’s no way it will even make its budget back at this point.
Based on the trailer & poster it was difficult to tell whether Happytime Murders is a police procedural, a comedy a thriller or a parody of one or more of these types of movies. This plus having dozens of other programs I can watch instead kept me away.
This site needs to be updated. There are some glaring omissions, such as The Predator, The Sisters Brothers, and Bad Times at the El Royale. (I would also pay attention to First Man and Goosebumps 2 over the next few weekends as they are both underperforming.) Mile 22 ended its run already and White Boy Rick is toast so they should have articles by now.
I really hope it doesn’t. I really enjoyed that the main cast of characters were all people with mental disorders and that they were portrayed in a positive way. (They were the badasses of the movie, especially the kid who was on the autism spectrum. I appreciated that as someone on the spectrum as well.) The movie wasn’t amazing but it was very entertaining and I want people to support more positive representation for people with mental disorders in film.
Did we watch the same movie? Garbage, absolute garbage. Condescending towards just about everybody, and the dialogue/characters were atrocious. If it gets a sequel, I’ll be mad.
The only character that they were even remotely condescending towards was the guy with Tourettes. Also, we differing opinions. I didn’t think The Predator was amazing but it was pretty entertaining to me and I enjoyed the fact that the lore was expanded.
Anonymoussays
Alpha is showing a good sign at the China and Russia Box office. Seems like can pull off another $20 mn internationally and not prove a total bomb.
My bad. I meant “original” but clearly used the wrong word. I was thinking more along the lines of being independent from any other franchise or source material. Clearly I forgot what website I’m on. Nothing gets past you guys 🙂
justanotherguyontheinternetsays
I will agree it’s always good to see original films succeed. And now that you explain it, I understand what you meant.
iwatchtoomuchcrapsays
There are updates on your Facebook page that aren’t listed on here. What gives?
I think its safe to say The Spy Who Dumped Me is a bomb. It’s opened in all of its major markets, per IMDB, and has just broken 50 million on a 40 million dollar budget.
There honestly isn’t too much in September that I see flopping. Most of what is in store for September looks like low to mid-budget fare. For starters, I think God Bless the Broken Road could flop. Sure, it has “God” in the title and it’s a Christian movie but even then, I haven’t even seen a SINGLE trailer for it. Peppermint could underperform under the weight of The Prradator. Likewise, I have seen no promotion for Hell Fest so I could see that flopping as well. Little Women may also go unnoticed due to a lack of interest from audiences but it honestly might not take much for it to make a profit.
The Predator seems like it might bomb because of all the shifts in release date and a generally negative vibe around the film in general, with rumors of reshot endings and incredibly dumb plotlines. May be a case of okay box office being outweighed by exhorbitant costs, like Geostorm and that Wolfman movie a few years back. White Boy Rick and Life Itself are going to live or die by reviews, and The House with A Clock In Its Walls might be too weird to get parents to bring their kids to it. Assassination Nation seems like it’s trying to build up hype for a mediocre movie by being edgy, so we’ll see if the target audience eats it up or it’ll do mediocre business for its price tag.
I actually think The House With a Clock in Its Walls will do just fine. It looks like a standard family film and it’s being heavily advertised. I could see The Predator flopping, especially if The Nun overperforms but it is one of the biggest movies playing in September.
“The Predator” is getting above average reviews from critics(63 percent Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes), but I’m still not sure how it’s going to do at the box office, despite Fox HEAVILY marketing the film and giving it a massive IMAX/Large Format release. “The House With A Clock In It’s Walls” will do just fine at the box office. Universal is heavily marketing the film, which is a good sign, it has two big names(Jack Black and Cate Blanchett)leading the film, and just like “The Predator”(but to a smaller extent), they are also giving it an IMAX release as well(with an IMAX 3D rerelease of “Thriller”(which is well known for being one of Michael Jackson’s famous songs, with an equally famous music video as well)attached to it(which was what caught my attention for the film).) We’ll see how they turn out overall at the box office.
Mike J Smithsays
Look like Global Road have been going to the dogs lately!!! It’s seems that every movie they released so far belongs to the dogs!!! First, Show Dogs bombed, now AXL got stunk!!! And, I’m hope their next film featured a dog!!!
The best way to describe it?
Global Road is exactly like The Weinstein Company, but the former only started business A YEAR AGO after IM Global and Open Road merged together. I wouldn’t be surprised if Global Road becomes bankrupt, just like The Weinstein Company. Shame.
Eh, Global Road hasn’t put out anything great yet. Hotel Artemis was the best movie they put out so far and that was just okay at best.
justanotherguyontheinternetsays
The only reason TWC went bankrupt is because Harvey’s escapades got out and it looked bad to be involved with him, so banks weren’t willing to lend any more money. Global Road just never had the funding they said they did.
Anonymoussays
Both The Happytime Murders and AXL respectively bombed at the box office BIG TIME.
It’s a real shame that Happytime Murders isn’t getting a lot of love. In one of the few times I disagree with the critics, I thought the movie was absolutely hilarious. I saw it with a large group of friends and we all had a blast! I was laughing so hard I was crying on more than one occasion. If you like raunchy comedies, I absolutely recommend the movie.
Well, it looks like Mile 22 might end up on here. It made a little under $14m in its opening weekend but the budget is $50m. I doubt it will have legs due to the poor reviews and competition.
The Darkest Minds just posted the biggest third weekend theater drop ever. I think it’s safe to say it’s a flop – it’s just barely going to make back its budget through international gross.
I’m not surprised AT ALL by this. I knew that the film’s box office is getting WORSE and WORSE. It IS doing a little(and I REALLY MEAN LITTLE)better overseas, making 18 million dollars(the film is making 12 million dollars in the USA so far), making the film hit the 30 million dollar mark WORLDWIDE. I think it will be a MIRACLE if the film even makes it’s 34 million dollar budget back WORLDWIDE. But that means it’s still a HUGE FLOP and it will be on the regular list no matter what.
But no matter what, THAT is EXTREMELY embarrassing. Just breaking a record like that(for having the BIGGEST THIRD WEEKEND DROP OF ANY WIDE RELEASED MOVIE) is a major “Award Of Dishonor”. Add a MASSIVE 88 PERCENT DROP from it’s SECOND WEEKEND and a failure is ALREADY in store.
I don’t know if I should LAUGH at this result, or feel SORRY for it. I know that the film was awful, and why A LOT of people didn’t even bother to see the film in theaters, but there is STILL a chance the film can still make money from home media sales and cable rights. Fox will lose millions of dollars from the film, that’s for sure. Still, I’m NOT done dealing with “The Darkest Minds” JUST YET. There’s still LOTS to be talked about, especially at the end of the year.
“The Darkest Minds” has hit the 35 million dollar mark, meaning that it has now made it’s 34 million dollar budget back. Worldwide. And from what I could tell, it has ended it’s theatrical run(at least in the USA). I think it will be on this list at any point!
Well, I wasn’t TOO far off. It hasn’t ended it’s theatrical run YET, but it lost more theaters, and played in only 172 theaters in it’s FOURTH WEEKEND. I still think that with how it’s going, this week(which is Labor Day weekend), it could end it’s theatrical run in the USA.
This may be a somewhat small film, but I still think it’s deserves a mention and might even break a box office “record”. With a budget of $15 million, “Billionaire Boys Club” got a whopping $126 on Friday, mostly due to poor reviews and the poorly timed inclusion of Kevin Spacey. To put it in comparison, the worst opening of all time in the U.S, United Passions, made around $319 in its Friday box office. It has gotten around $1,478,436 in the foreign market, but it’s doubtful it won’t bomb in a spectacular fashion.
Well, it is super early but just going off of titles, release dates, actors, plot descriptions, and what I imagine the budgets are, here are my totally off the wall predictions:
January: Ad Astra; Miss Bala
February: Jacob’s Ladder; Three Seconds; The Prodigy
March: Chaos Walking; The Kid Who Would Be King; Where’d You Go Bernadette
April: After; Missing Link
May: The Rosie Project; Uglydolls; The Sun is Also a Star
June: Gambit; Shaft; Ford v. Ferrari
July: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
August: Dora the Explorer; Artemis Fowl; Playmobil
September: Charlie’s Angels
October: Gemini Man; Are You Afraid of the Dark?; The Goldfinch
November: Margie Claus
December: Masters of the Universe
I think that the “Sonic” movie does have a chance to do well at the box office. Even with all of the weird things I saw from the production photos.
justanotherguyontheinternetsays
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood’s Tarantino and stars, which both appeal to US and international audiences, and while it might not be a huge hit for Sony, it’ll probably at least justify its own existence. Missing Link will definitely bomb because Laika is just Nike’s founder’s son’s pet project and it really doesn’t need to make money for them to make more films.
I hope Missing Link does well. I’m a huge fan of Laika’s films.
Anonymoussays
No offense, but I thought some of these movies would pull in the kids crowd and become decent hits. But, The Kid Who Would Be King comes out the same weekend as How To Train Your Dragon 3, for Missing Link, stop motion films don’t do well ( remember Kubo And The Two Strings and Early Man?) Even if Uglydolls comes out the same Weekend as Detective Pikachu and a week after Avengers, that could pull in the Trolls crowd. Dora could pull in the little kids crowd, Artemis Fowl will be next year’s A Wrinkle In Time ( dispite being Disney), as for Playmobil, ORF doesn’t have the best track record, don ‘t know about AYAOTD. This year, House With A Clock In It’s Walls won’t flop. Siabara.
I’m secretly hoping that Dora the Explorer is a dumb action movie since Michael Bay is making it. Just imagine, Sniper instead of Swiper. “Sniper, no sniping!” xD
Anonymoussays
if you watch Collegehumor videos, you’ve already seen the trailer for the new Dora movie.
I was SURPRISED when I found out that a “Dora the Explorer” movie was actually being MADE(let alone coming out NEXT YEAR). I watched a lot of “Dora” when I was very little. I would love to see how it does at the box office. I’m not SUPER excited(especially since I’m not a huge fan of “Dora”(but then again, I outgrew Nick Jr.)for the movie, but I AM curious.
justanotherguyontheinternetsays
Ford Vs. Ferrari might hook the older crowd with the history and the younger ones with the stars. Hope it’s good from all the talent involved.
Mile 22’s probably in the $30 million range and will make money due to presales and not being priced too highly. Anything higher than $35 million, and it may not succeed. I’m guessing you just hate Mark Wahlberg.
I haven’t really cared for their movies so far. Midnight Sun was a typical romance movie, Hotel Artemis was decent but kinda forgettable, and Show Dogs was the worst movie I’ve seen this year so far.
“A.X.L” reminds me of both “Max Steel”(it helps that Global Road distributed that film(back when they were still Open Road)) and “Monster Trucks”. I can definitely see it becoming a flop at the box office. The trailer looks like a joke.
“A.X.L.” is all READY to become a box office flop. It has little big name stars, an unknown budget(I can see around 30-40 million dollars being spent for the film), and it wasn’t even screened for critics. Big loss right there.
Alpha seems to be on track for this. Less than $10 million opening and looks like it cost a whole lot more than that. China’s box office is going to have to be on fire for Alpha to avoid being a flop.
The problem is that the budget for Alpha is unknown for now. I do feel like the budget is really high. I plan on seeing it in 3D because I hear that it’s one of the few movies in years that is actually worth shelling out 3D for.
“Alpha” has an 80 million dollar budget. It’s not very expensive, but it’s still FAR from cheap. I’m surprised that it ACTUALLY got decent reviews from critics. Sony just kept MOVING THE RELEASE DATE OVER AND OVER until they settled for the August dumping ground. No wonder it’s going to be a HUGE flop.
I gotta say, having seen the movie, Sony really dropped the ball on the marketing. They made it look like a cheesy Ice Age movie you would catch on Freeform. In reality, it’s an epic survival movie (it’s mostly subtitled which was refreshing for a prehistoric movie) that is hands down one of the most gorgeous movies of the year. The trailers don’t do it justice at all. It is worth IMAX or 3D. It really caught me off guard how compelling the movie really is. It is so sad that this is going to be overlooked hard due to Crazy Rich Asians (which is also really good) and Mile 22 (a scattershot mess of an action movie) coming out the same weekend.
Dylan Wsays
Tristan, you should watch Alpha to get that bland taste of The Darkest Minds out of your mouth.
You can blame the terrible box office results on the ABYSMAL marketing campaign Sony gave the movie. They treated it like a generic “historic” drama AND a nature documentary. The favorable reviews the film got would have made me change my mind, but… …I’ll just leave it as is. I think the MCU 10th anniversary IMAX compilation(I’m seeing(at least in IMAX) “Guardians of the Galaxy”, “Thor: Ragnarok”, and “Black Panther”(the latter film I saw earlier this year)) will wash the bad taste of “The Darkest Minds” out of my movie going mouth.
I may have avoided it in theaters, but I MIGHT check out “Alpha” at some point. Probably when it comes out on home media. I’m ACTUALLY sad that it flopped, despite getting fairly strong reviews from critics. But that might be because of, like I said, the ABYSMAL marketing campaign Sony gave it. I heard that ALL of the film was subtitled(which is RARE for a big film made in the USA), and the film looks STUNNING and is ACTUALLY WORTH SEEING IN 3D. In fact, that film MAY have taken the bad taste “The Darkest Minds” gave in my mouth, IF I ACTUALLY SAW IT. But nope. Both “The Darkest Minds” and “Alpha” ended up being box office flops.
justanotherguyontheinternetsays
If you thought the regular ads were bad, the spotify ads have been atrocious. Makes it sound like a film for five year olds, as it’s supposed to be “the most heartwarming film of the summer” or some garbage like that. Was going to watch it anyways, but the reviews ensured I’ll get around to it, hopefully before it leaves theaters completely.
Yeah, it’s not exactly a movie for five year olds. In fact, it reminds me of The Revenant except it’s during the Ice Age, not as graphic, and way shorter. If you do check it out (and I totally recommend that you do), make sure to watch it in 3D or IMAX. It’s worth every penny and looks absolutely gorgeous.
Dylan Wsays
Also, for the record, “the most heartwarming movie of the summer” for me was probably Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again of all things. I was not expecting it to be as good as it was considering I didn’t care for the first one.
It made 44 million dollars on it’s opening weekend in the USA alone. And nearly everyone said that the film was going to make less than HALF of that(20 million dollars) and flop. FLOP NO MORE IT IS, WARNER BROS.!
I just got back from seeing “The Meg”. It’s NOTHING amazing, but it is silly fun. I’m actually glad it was able to defy expectations with it’s solid 45 million dollar opening weekend in the USA(the previous numbers were before the actual numbers came.). Now I have to wait a few more hours… …because I’m FINALLY going to see “The Darkest Minds”. And my few words? Oh no… …give me hope… And I will come back once the film is finished. I will type up my thoughts on it.
I’m embarrassed to admit, I WASN’T the only person in the theater for “The Darkest Minds”. The theater that I was in(which was very small) was actually packed! It was almost sold out! Almost ALL of the people in the theater were around my age(15 to 16 years old)! And I actually heard a round of APPLAUSE at the VERY end of the movie(right when the credits started)! I was SURPRISED that they were actually able to ENJOY meaningless films like this! I heard people laughing(and even sad crying) while I was BORED OUT OF MY MIND(no pun intended.)! Why? The film already does an EXCELLENT job of pandering to it’s teenage target audience, but I was surprised that it MORE THAN DID IT’S JOB! It’s unbelievable! I think this film should be on the main list at any point!
I’m ALMOST certain that the theater I saw “The Darkest Minds” in was the exception. I saw that film on a Discount Day(which was on a Tuesday), so I was THANKFUL that I didn’t waste my time seeing the film in full price(but then again, I also saw “The Emoji Movie” ON A DISCOUNT DAY. HISTORY REPEATS!(at least that film was successful despite getting abysmal reviews from well, pretty much EVERYONE who saw it(who wasn’t their family target audience).)And in fact, everyone who was in theater saw it with Discount Day. If I saw the film on a normal day(in FULL PRICE, NO LESS!), the theater would have been TOTALLY EMPTY. I knew that it lost almost of it’s theaters and is now playing in almost 450 empty theaters. I think that this week, the film will PROBABLY end it’s theatrical run. That’s just my guess, though. Who knows? It could be playing for a little longer before FINALLY ending it’s theatrical run.
Dylan Wsays
Christopher Robin and Slender Man might end up here.
Christopher Robin needs 150 million $ to break even ( according to Tristan Micheals it’s 210). Slenderman’s budget is 28 million $ so you might be right.
“Slender Man” might overperform with 11-12 million dollars on it’s opening weekend(which isn’t TOO bad, since it cost almost 30 million dollars to make), but it got awful reviews from critics and Sony kept the film away for a few months because of “disagreements”, and didn’t go back to marketing the film until a MONTH ago.(Doesn’t help that I got constant ads for both this film and “The Darkest Minds” on YouTube. It’s clear that both Sony and Fox respectively knew that both films would be terrible.). An awful D- CinemaScore is not helping matter for this film either. The word is still out on “Christopher Robin”. It has a nearly 50 percent drop with around 12 million dollars in the USA. There is still a high chance for the film to hit the 80(or possibly 90 to 100 million if it’s lucky) million dollar mark in the USA, but if the overseas box office for this film continue to be as non existent as they already are, sorry to say, it could be on this list.
It did alright on it’s opening weekend in the USA(25 million dollars, which for a film that had a moderate budget(75 million dollars), is nothing amazing, but not too bad either), but it’s overseas results(so far) are VERY limited, which just 5 million dollars. If it stumbles in the USA, or has weak overseas box office results, it could be on the list. But hey, the film was cute! And Disney has the money they made from “Black Panther”, “Avengers: Infinity War”, “Incredibles 2”, and “Ant-Man and The Wasp” to help fix things up. Speaking of which, CONGRATUATIONS “Black Panther” FOR FINALLY HITTING THE 700 MILLION DOLLAR MARK IN THE USA AND “Incredibles 2” FOR HITTING THE BILLION DOLLAR MARK WORLDWIDE!
Hey Tristan, I realized it needs at least 150 million $ worldwide to double it’s budget. Fun fact, it made the same amount as The Emoji Movie on it’s OW.
It’s going to need MORE than that to break even. Disney spent a decent amount of money(from what I can tell) to market the film(they probably spent around 50 to 60 million do so, in addition to the 75 million dollars it cost to make), and they need the marketing costs back as well for the film to make a profit and make even. I will say that 210 million dollars is a better break even point. But considering that overseas box office results for the film are non existent, it’s going to need A LOT of luck to do so.
I think it will need a little more than 150 million dollars to break even. In addition to the 75 million dollars Disney spent to make the film, they spent a decent amount of money(from what I could tell)(around 50 to 60 million dollars) to market the film as well. I think that 210 million dollars will be a better break even point for this film. But with non existent overseas numbers so far, I’ll doubt it will make it.
Cutthroat Islandsays
Just wanted to report on a new bomb I found: Escape Plan 2: Hades. The film had a $20M budget, but only made $14,208,277 in it’s full worldwide run. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_Plan_2:_Hades). I will say that it apparently didn’t have a domestic release ,or at least any tracking of how much it made if it did have a release so I don’t know if that excludes, but I still wanted to let you know.
The Spy Who Dumped Me needs a page. it made 12 million $ on a 40 million $ budget. Sadly possibly Christopher Robin too due to making less than the 30-29 million $ and it has a 75 million $ budget. so, siabara.
It may be a bit too early, but I think The Darkest Minds will be a box office bomb. With a $34M budget, it is estimated to gross just $6M in it’s opening weekend.With it’s terrible reviews, I doubt it’ll leg out to gain enough money and there doesn’t seem to be any release worldwide so it should have a good shot on making this list. Just a heads up. Keep up the good work!
It’s on the pending list. It did terrible indeed. Even with a production cost of only 34 million dollars, it still did abysmal on it’s opening weekend, with 5 million dollars from the USA and 4 million dollars overseas, making a total of 9 million dollars worldwide. It will be impossible to make it’s limited budget back in the USA and I think the film will do even WORSE overseas. Another day, another YA franchise non starter.
I think most of the box office bombs are coming towards the end if the year. A lot of movies are releasing in October and don’t get me started on the crap ton of big budget movies releasing near Christmas. There’s no way they are all going to survive. But so far this year, the box office has been pretty decent so far. Solo was probably the biggest surprise in how much it underperformed but it released at a really bad time, facing heavy direct competition and people who were still salty about The Last Jedi (which came out only 5 months before Solo).
This month, I could see The Darkest Minds, The Meg, Alpha, A.X.L., and Kin all flopping. The only one with a known budget right now is The Meg ($150 million) and that could be saved by China. The Darkest Minds will be crushed by the other action movies out right now, Alpha has been pushed back multiple times by Sony, A.X.L. just looks like a lower budget version of Monster Trucks but with a robot dog, and Kin hasn’t been gaining a whole lot of buzz.
It could just be me but I know quite a bit of people who know what Happytime Murders is and I am going to see it with a whole group of people when it comes out. I don’t think it will make as much as Sausage Party but I do think it will be a decent hit. Plenty of people like out of the box ideas.
“The Meg” is continuing to do well at the box office. “The Darkest Minds” already became a MAJOR flop for Fox, and based on how it’s doing, I won’t see it doing better anytime soon(though Fox still might make money from the film if it has good home media sales). “Alpha” is already flopping at the box office, making around 10 million dollars in it’s opening weekend(on a film that cost around 50-80 million dollars to make). I can see both “A.X.L” and “Kin” becoming major box office flops.
“The Darkest Minds” has a 34 million dollar budget, which is a very small amount of money for a YA adaptation and a effects heavy film(even the last two “Maze Runner” films cost over 60 million dollars to make), but it will only make around 8 million dollars in it’s domestic opening weekend, and even with it’s limited budget, it’s still not a good start. Another thing I’m worried about is that both “The Darkest Minds” AND especially “Christopher Robin”(which I’m seeing tomorrow) don’t have their Rotten Tomatoes scores yet, AND it’s only one more DAY before they come out. I know that Disney is trying their best with the latter film(they have been heavily marketing it), and believe it or not, one of their most critically and successful films, “Star Wars: The Force Awakens”, WASN’T EVEN SCREENED FOR CRITICS UNTIL IT WAS RELEASED(but that was to avoid spoilers and NOT the quality of the actual film)! But still, I’m worried.
“Christopher Robin” finally got it’s Rotten Tomatoes score(ONLY HOURS BEFORE IT CAME OUT!). 62 percent Fresh. It’s nowhere near the level the “Paddington” films were on Rotten Tomatoes(98 percent and 100 PERCENT Certified Fresh!), but it’s passible enough. I heard that it is SLOW PACED, but it is innocent and cute natured. I’m going to check it out for myself in a few hours. By the way, “The Darkest Minds” had gotten it’s Rotten Tomatoes score a while ago, and IT IS NOT GOOD. 14 PERCENT ROTTEN. But then again, it helps that I wasn’t even that interested in that film anyway. It looked like a lesser combination of the “X-Men” series(even more so since Fox distributed both films) and “The Hunger Games”. Aside from “Ready Player One”(yes, that was a YA adaptation, and even though the book it was based off was targeted to(mostly) pop culture fans, it was also targeted to young adults as well.)(and that film did well because… …well, it was from Spielberg! And it did MASSIVE in China as well!), YA adaptations(since the last “Harry Potter” and “The Hunger Games” films) are struggling, both with the critics and box office, and I can definitely see “The Darkest Minds” being a flop as a result. Aside from “Christopher Robin”(“Eighth Grade” doesn’t count because it was in limited release for a few weeks before it expanded to wide release this week), all of the other films that came out this week were Rotten on Rotten Tomatoes. A lackluster week indeed.
You can’t judge a movie you haven’t watched. I myself think that the show the movie is based off of is garbage. That being said, the writing for the movie looks like it’s going to be much better. The last trailer they put out I found very funny. Also, with the budget being low, it will make a profit easily.
Rotten tomatoes is a measure of how many people liked it, not how much. Most of those last Jedi reviews were just okay with it, probably the same for teen titans
I wish more people understood how RT ratings worked. You summed it up well. Looking at the average ratings are probably more accurate than the percentage.
Depends on how good of a deal they got for Netflix. It seems like it at least broke even. It was one of the few movies I liked in a pretty weak year so far, shame it didn’t do better.
Goldstone by Ivan Sen
Budget: $2 million
Box Office: Domestic = $86,402, Foreign = $583,515 (I got the Domestic box office from Box Office Mojo and I got the foreign box office from The Numbers)
Reign of Judges: Title of Liberty – Concept Short by Darin Southam (Still in Theaters)
Budget: $120,000
Box Office: Domestic = $93,224, Foreign = $5,184
Golden Slumber by Noh Dong-seok
Budget: $12.75 million (or ₩14,222,369,366 in South Korea) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Slumber#Box_office)
Box Office: Domestic: $94,450, Foreign = $10,733,326 (or ₩11,972,809,953)
Borg vs McEnroe by Janus Metz Pedersen
Budget: $7.5 million (or 65 million SEK)
Box Office: Domestic = $231,346, Foreign = $3,014,135 (or 26,300,733 SEK)
But Deliver Us from Evil by Joshua Coates
Budget: $1 million
Box Office: Domestic = $285,169, Foreign = No Release
Bag of Marbles (Un Sac De Billes) by Christian Duguay
Budget: $21.4 million (or €18,205.839)
Box Office: Domestic = $393,070, Foreign = $10,045,370 (or €8,545,999) (http://www.jpbox-office.com/fichfilm.php?id=16594)
Condorito: La Pelicula by Alex Orrelle
Budget: $8.3 million
Box Office: Domestic = $447,719, Foreign = $7,983,475
The Insult (L’insulte) by Ziad Doueiri
Budget: $3 million (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7048622/)
Box Office: Domestic = $1,001,305, Foreign = $1,878,414
I would might also add Superfly which has a budget of $16 million and so far brought in $19 million at the box office, but I can’t confirm that.
(I also wanted to point out that a lot of these movie I listed were films that were either limited release in certain film festivals from 2017 or released in other countries in 2017. These films were then open in American theaters in 2018 so I don’t know if those count as 2017 bombs or 2018 bombs. The films that were released solely this year from this list were Higher Power, Kickboxer: Retaliation, The Assasin’s Code, Reign of Judges: Title of Liberty – Concept Short, Golden Slumber, Gotti, Hotel Artemis, Annihilation, and Pacific Rim: Uprising. Blood Feast and Goldstone were the only films on this list to have a limited release in 2016.)
I hope that this list is helpful to you and I apologize for any mistakes as I’m new to this. I think that you have done a great job with updating all the box office bombs for the past decade and I wish you good luck for finding any other films.
Thanks for your compliment Cutthroat Island. We are adding movies with budgets around or above $20 million and have been removing older posts with movies that have lower budgets. Thanks for your comment and glad you are enjoying the site!
Thank you Bomb Report! Sorry that most of the list doesn’t work with that rule, but still will continue to look for any that follow it. You do work hard and am glad that you have continued the hard work.
It might be able to limp its way to the first film’s gross, but the word of mouth hasn’t been stellar. We may get a third one, since this series only exists on the whims of the daughter of FedEx’s founder, so she has millions to throw away on this.
I sure hope so. Sicario 2 is one of the best movies of the year in my opinion and I would be totally down for a third one. I think a lot of people were turned off with how depressing the movie is but it’s about the drug cartel so I don’t know what people were expecting.
Does anybody think that either Skyscraper or The Equalizer 2 is going to flop? They come out just weeks before Mission: Impossible – Fallout, which I expect to be one of the biggest movies of the summer due to the track record of Mission: Impossible, Tom Cruise, and heavy advertising.
Dylan W how do you think Alpha, The Happytime Murders, The House With A Clock In It’s Walls, Mowgli, and Welcome To Marwen will flop? They haven’t even revealed their budgets yet.
I’m not sure about the others but I don’t think that Happytime Murders will flop at all. I think it might pull in the Sausage Party crowd and become a decent hit actually.
i agree, even though “Muppets Most Wanted” was a flop. but “Sausage Party” was a hit with that crowd though. i think Alpha could flop though. i think Mowgli too since Disney already turned The Jungle Book story into live action and it has to compete with the Halloween remake which i think will be this year’s ‘It’. The House With A Clock In It’s Walls could do well with the target audience, but comes out a week before the animated “Smallfoot”. Welcome To Marwen has 2 compete with the 4 holiday movies (Timmy Sargent and Tristan Micheals said what they are), but with the director and the animation, it could be another Isle Of Dogs. You’ll find out soon enough.
justanotherguyontheinternetsays
Marwen is trying to go for that feel good movie aspect that middle America loves, but the actual story has enough weird detours that unless they are severely downplayed, it will be too controversial for that group. Not to mention that the animation style feels off along with the whole vibe of the film. Mowgli’s been delayed so much, it’s probably already being internally written off. Alpha’s been pushed around a lot too.
Skyscraper has The Rock, so it’ll do well overseas at least. Equalizer 2 has Denzel Washington, who’s one of the few real “movie stars” left, and the first one did well enough. Probably won’t justify a 3rd, but will probably make back its budget
Sad to see the FIRST EVER “Star Wars” BOX OFFICE FLOP. At least that’s not going to affect Disney(thanks to “Incredibles 2”, “Avengers: Infinity War”, and “Black Panther”)or the upcoming “Star Wars” film that’s coming out next year. It will still do HUGE business for Disney, even after the polarizing fan response “The Last Jedi” got and “Solo” flopping at the box office. If “Solo” was moved back and released in December, it would have been another story. It would have done very well at the box office and would have probably made a billion dollars. Releasing it in May(when “Avengers: Infinity War” and “Deadpool 2” were dominating the box office) was a VERY bad move. Even with the heavy competition with “Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse”, “Aquaman”, “Bumblebee”, and “Mary Poppins Returns”(which, ironically enough, is also from Disney)(those four are probably the only films that will do well on the 2018 holiday season). The film was also fairly well received by critics, so… how it flopped… …I could imagine… …people just weren’t interested? I don’t know.
I have to disagree with some of your points. Long term getting Star Wars out of December is the right move for Disney even if it’s not best for Star Wars. Why? Because Disney has TONS of four quadrant family friendly IPs that will play spectacularly during the holiday season, like for example Mary Poppins which you mention. There are even better examples. How much money could Beauty and the Beast have gotten if it came out in the holiday frame? Unfortunately Jedi was in the way and so it was never an option. Disney understands that their overall slate is better off with Star Wars in the summer with the holiday frame left open for the type of big family friendly entertainment that Disney does so well.
Well, I both sort of agree and disagree with those points you mentioned. For the “four quadrant family friendly IPs” you mentioned, there aren’t REALLY many of those. They’re just holdovers from November(like “Frozen”, “Moana”, or “Coco”), and Disney focuses mostly on “Star Wars” for December. Yes, I will agree that these IPs do have SPECTACULAR box office results, and like you said, I do have bets that “Mary Poppins Returns” will do VERY well over the holiday season. I just had different thoughts, but I do get some of your thoughts. Still, I’m glad that Disney has a lot of HUGE, money making IPs under their company.
Mike J Smithsays
Better look out for John Travolta’s Gotti, which so far is getting a BIG FAT ZERO rating on Rotten Tomatoes!!! Too much fiction and hardly any facts!!!
Chappaquiddick did not cost $34M. It’s an inexpensive indie. Here’s how we got to that $34M number — Variety had an article (https://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/chappaquiddick-box-office-1202742903/) about Chappaquiddick before it opened and in that article another political drama Detroit was mentioned. Variety stated that the budget to Detroit was $34M. Google meta-descriptions picked up the $34M budget from the variety article and assigned it to Chappaquiddick for search results. Then The Boston Globe wrote some brief article and cited the $34M budget. Then someone added the $34M budget to the Chappaquiddick wikipedia page and cited The Boston Globe and now its circulating that the budget is $34M.
Solo is the worst performing star wars movie ever it is projected to have only a 105m opening on a 250m budget with 500m needed to break even and its underproming outside of america with record low in china and japan and noone watching it in England it is almost certain to bomb just look out for the sales
Needs a lot more than $500 million to break even. Budget was $300m. Total cost is usually twice that to include marketing, so $600m. Studios only get half of box office receipts in US and 25% abroad. If we go with a typically even split of domestic and foreign then the break even point would be $1.6 BILLION. (800m * .5 + 800m * .25) = 600m. And that’s with zero profit.
That was the consequence of releasing the film FIVE MONTHS after “The Last Jedi”. “Solo” will be the “Justice League” of 2018 for sure. Too bad, since I thought it was good(even if it is the weakest “Star Wars” film from Disney so far.). At least Disney has the HUGE box office receipts of “Avengers: Infinity War” and “Black Panther” to cover up ANY of “Solo” ‘s potential losses. And Disney also has “Incredibles 2” coming out in a few weeks, and that film will be a HUGE hit at the box office(and with the critics, too! It’s also from Pixar, after all!). I’m glad Disney is still doing fine. Even if “Solo” made less than their 150 million dollar 4 day prediction.
Tomb Raider apparently needed $275 million to break even. Its worldwide gross so far is $273 Million, and it’s coming to Digital formats and Blu-Ray/DVD in a week or two; so it’s may squeak in just enough to break even or to make a small profit.
I wouldn’t blame you for considering it a BO disappointment, though.
Look like Show Dogs isn’t the only Big Loser to competed against Deadpool 2. How about Jim Carrey’s Dark Crime, which got a BIG FAT ZERO rating on Rotten Tomatoes (As I write this one)!!!
Me too. That film(“Show Dogs”) looks absolutely awful. “Avengers: Infinity War”(despite it’s SERIOUS subject matter) will take always a lot of that film’s audience for sure(of course, “Deadpool 2”, like it’s predecessor, is ABSOLUTELY, POSTIVELY, NOT FOR CHILDREN!(but it will be a huge hit at the box office, and it has already gotten strong reviews(87 percent Certified Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes) from critics as well.(Of course, I’m only 15 years old, so I can’t see it yet!).
And the film(“Show Dogs”) had an abysmal 6 million dollar opening weekend and has the 13th WORST opening weekend for a film playing in over 3,000 theaters. Even “Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”(which is 24th on the worst opening weekend for a film playing in over 3,000 theaters, just one spot down 25th)(which came out EXACTLY a year ago) was able to do better(but only SLIGHTLY) than this film(7 million dollars) on it’s opening weekend. Overseas numbers also look extremely horrendous as well(almost 700 THOUSAND dollars!). So, looks like it has a chance on this list?
And for some odd reason, they took “Show Dogs” off the pending list. I know that Wikipedia says that the budget was 5.5 million dollars, but it turns out that it was only for FILMING and LOCATION costs, and NOT for the entire film. There’s still no idea what the real budget was, since the article that says that 5.5 million dollars were spent for filming(see https://businesswales.gov.wales/walesscreen/news/big-budget-us-comedy-show-dogs-spent-£47m-filming-wales-–-hollywood-producer-keen-return) called “Show Dogs” a “big budget” film. So what was the real budget? 20 million dollars? 30 million dollars? Maybe even 70 million dollars? I have no clue.
With Deadpool 2 coming next week, I feel like either Book Club or Show Dogs is going to bomb, possibly even both of them. I think that Show Dogs is more likely but I have seen it more heavily advertised than Book Club so who knows.
Can we just bite the bullet and put Ready Player One on this list already? It cost $175 million production budget plus $150 million marketing expense. But it was overshadowed and outgrossed in the US by a low budget horror film, A Quiet Place. A Quiet Place earned more money almost every single day, including opening weekend, than Ready Player One did. RPO’s biggest success was in China but that only lasted a couple of weeks before local films started stealing audiences away. Though it’s above $500 million total worldwide, it’s still not enough to cover the production+marketing cost once ticket sales revenue is split between the studio and the cinemas.
The film(“Ready Player One”) has made almost 575 million dollars worldwide so far, WELL over it’s break even point of 440 million dollars(even if it had to compete with “A Quiet Place”, and(of course) “Avengers: Infinity War”.) No WAY it will be on this list for sure.
Two Words. ABSOLUTELY NOT! It broke the record for the BIGGEST DOMESTIC OPENING WEEKEND OF ANY MOVIE IN BOTH THE USA(257 million dollars(in the USA) AND WORLDWIDE(630 million dollars), AND IT’S MAKING MORE AND MORE AND WILL HIT THE BILLION DOLLAR MARK ANY TIME IT GETS! HOORAY FOR DISNEY!
I think Pacific Rim: Uprising can be called a flop now, guys. It only made $286 Million worldwide so far, and it apparently needed at least $350 Million to break even. it’s pretty much dead in its biggest markets (USA and China), and it’s opened in most of its territories by now (according to IMDB’s release schedule).
Heck, Universal just recently announced the dates for the Digital HD and Blu-Ray releases, so it’s probably gonna be leaving theaters really soon.
It’s a shame that Sgt. Stubby: An American Hero will end up on this list. It’s an adorable animated movie based on the true story of a dog who became a sergeant in WWI. It’s made only $1.3 million with a $25 million budget. Despite receiving a wide release (about 1,600 theaters), I never once saw an ad for it on TV.
I saw Isle of Dogs the day after I saw Sgt. Stubby and I loved both of them but I liked Isle of Dogs more. I’d recommend both of them. Sgt. Stubby is about a dog that actually became a sergeant in World War I.
At this point, you might as well wait for it to show up in Redbox or Netflix. It’s a nice little animated movie about a dog that actually became a sergeant in World War I.
And now I have NO idea when it’s even going to get a HOME MEDIA release. Most of the films that came out in Spring(“Rampage”, “Tomb Raider”, “Pacific Rim: Uprising”, “A Wrinkle In Time”, “Sherlock Gnomes”, “Ready Player One”, and a several others) have already come out on home media, and some other films(“Avengers: Infinity War”) are going to be released on home media VERY(and I mean VERY) soon. Even “Spark” got a home media release(a VERY hard to find home media release at that. Universal’s home media division was COMPLETELY focusing on “The Fate Of The Furious” at the time, and just like how Open Road dumped the film into a limited(365 theaters and never expanding) release, Universal just dumped the film’s home media release onto several markets(I guess) to a several store markets(I only recall SEEING the film on Blu-Ray at a local Wal-Mart at one point, and the DVD at a used book store)with no fanfare or promotion. “Sgt. Stubby” was LUCKY enough to get a wide release, let alone a THOUSAND theater release. But thanks to the film NOT even getting a home media release, it’s safe to say, the film could enter “Song of the South” and the original, unaltered “Star Wars” trilogy territory. People might not even know the film even EXISTED at this point. Shame.
The film is FINALLY going to get a home media release. In NOVEMBER!(see https://funacademystudios.com/product/sgt-stubby-bluray/) All of the films it competed with at the box office(“A Quiet Place”, “Rampage”, “Ready Player One”, “Avengers: Infinity War”, the wide release of “Isle Of Dogs”(which is funny, since both films were animated and were ABOUT dogs) and several others) have been released on home media for almost a while(a several months). And from what I can tell, it’s ONLY going to be released on the distributor’s(Fun Academy’s) website. Even “Spark”, despite getting(from what I could tell) a limited home media release, it still got released in stores, and was released on home media for a good three month theater to home media window(July, to be exact), despite the film ending it’s theatrical run MONTHS beforehand. This film, on the other hand? It will be released on home media 7 MONTHS after it’s theatrical release, and by then, everyone(even those who ACTUALLY saw it during it’s theatrical run) will forget about it. For shame, film, for shame.
I’m not surprised that A Wrinkle in Time is on this list. So far, as of April 15, I’m not entirely sure if Red Sparrow will be qualify on the list just yet.
Pacific rims bad week 2 is concerning it depends on how much it declines on 3rd week and its budget I think releasing it a week before player one caused problems
And, wow, “The New Mutants” is really in trouble. With that film be delayed TWICE, I can see that FOX will just put the film on Disney’s new streaming service(if they get acquired), and never give the film a theatrical release. I’m really getting “Fan4stic” vibes from this.
No pain from Pacific Rim Uprising as it was made with an eye on the foreign market, where it has already grossed over $122m. The $28m it grossed domestically was above the modest expectations of the studio so they’re content.
It’s on the pending list, which means that it will be on the regular list at some point. And wow, did that film look awful(and yes, I have never seen “Gnomeo and Juliet”).
52mlt60says
Even the trailer and movie poster for “Sherlock Gnomes” looked bad…it’s a miracle that MGM hasn’t gone the way of RKO!
That’s right. It’s VERY clear that “Pacific Rim: Uprising” was made for the Asian market(especially China)in mind. The domestic(USA) opening weekend results(28 million) are weak, but that was more than what most sources expected(20-25 million). By the way, I saw that film when it came out on it’s opening weekend. It’s nothing spectacular, but it is silly fun.
Red Sparrow has a shot at the list, Gringo is an Amazon film so its box office wont matter much to them in the long run and Samson cost next to nothing to make
Red Sparrow looks poised to be on the list. It’s foreign box office, which is at 76 million now, isn’t enough to make up the difference for a lower domestic total.
Well that’s two unwelcome, repetitive, and inaccurate posts you’ve composed today. After being told to halt such activities. How many more are you planning? Seriously, is this going to last until 2019? 2020? You need to build a bridge and get over it. You’ve been at it for six months now and the result isn’t going to change.
12 Strong made a profit and is not on the list. Nor is it on any other industry recognized, reputable flop/bomb list. Despite your continuous pleas and protests, all of which were rebuked, denied, and disproven. Deal with it on your own time, away from this board.
Sigh, as predicted JMovie lover’s innocent joke baited the crazy back out. Joy.
Seriously, we don’t need to experience daily manifestations of your residual bitterness and anger over 12 Strong not bombing, as you predicted last November, thus making it ineligible for the list. And your, resulting, inappropriate antics in trying to cope with that realization.
I have an idea… since this all is, somehow, tied to your personal well-being, why don’t you just create your own website and put it on? This website isn’t going to reverse their decision, despite your numerous inquiries, and ruin their credibility. Problem solved and you can get back on the road of positive mental health. We don’t need 20+ posts of this nonsense.
If it manages to make it in the black, much like Resident Evil The Final Chapter, it has the overseas box office to thank. Its total overseas has already crossed the $100M mark.
Seems to be doing well and will clean house internationally. The Assassin’s Creed movie made a lot of money based on foreign grosses and this was better received.
Tomb Raider has already made $102 million internationally according to Box Office Mojo, with more to be tallied. That will go a long way to making the film profitable.
And Sherlock Gnomes(which MGM co-produced with Paramount(who had an abysmal 2016 and 2017, but will have a chance this year thanks to “A Quiet Place” and “Mission: Impossible Fallout”), and their first animated film(of any kind) since “Igor”, which came out a decade ago(2008), and ended up on that year’s list) is doing terrible at the box office. “Gnomeo and Juliet” was a film that while it was successful for what it was(almost 200 million dollars worldwide on a modest 30 million dollar budget), but it has since been forgotten, and the seven year gap between that film and this(and Touchstone Pictures, who released the first film, passed on that film(possibly due to “Strange Magic” being a huge flop at the box office) and gave Paramount and MGM(for some reason) the rights.) Yeah.
Well not really. It is actually people telling a determined individual writing under three names (movieticker, Dylan W, Clockwork) to please disengage in a series of toxic, unwanted propaganda pieces claiming that 12 Strong is a flop when five industry articles (all linked and referenced) confirm that it is not and outlined its profitability, financials and industry references included. And then insisting that the industry articles are a lie and that they know better than all of them, choosing their own reality. Behavior they have continued since last November.
The website, itself, has determined it is not a flop (based on said articles) and asked them to stop. Hence its absence from the list and removal of their posts. There’s really nothing more to discuss and it’s probably better to not open that can of worms again, as the individual will just start again a series of posts that are equally incorrect and anti-fan spam.
One has to wonder, of all movies… why such a caustic, irrational response over 12 Strong? It’s probably a bet or something. Or something more deeply rooted than the film itself. Like a disgruntled ex-employee or something. And why it is tied to their anxiety of Den of Thieves (which does still have a shot at making the list) if the VOD/streaming/cable deals don’t overindex? They are completely unrelated.
This Den Of Thieves obsession to support 12 Strong is not needed. Den Of Thieves made a profit now and is not a flop. You have been told this repeatedly by numerous individuals. Articles and exact quotes are listed on this website for reference of why Den Of Thieves made a profit, all of which you ignore for months in favor of this same disproven statement. It is time to move on to other movies.
This comment was also removed/hidden/”awaiting moderation” immediately after its creation. Writing it a second time is not necessary nor is it welcome here. There is a reason why your posts and account(s) keep having administrative action taken against it. Respect their wishes not to continue, which it’s obvious that they don’t want you to. This is not the place for such habitual behavior.
movietickersays
Of course the one person, Alex, who caused all the drama posted a response to JMovie Lover to continue the drama. Typical.
It’s not so much a debate but one person, Alex, convinced 12 Strong didn’t flop with paragraphs of nonsense and disproven data When multiple people corrected him, he responds with insults, just like he did to JMovie Lover. The real “debate” is individuals, some of which he continually names, told him directly that 12 Strong didn’t turn a profit yet, likely won’t with all revenue considered, and may be on flop lists. We won’t know for sure until all data is in and we can see how much in the red the production is. That was the assessment determined with all data, and Alex is unable to handle it, somehow convinced individuals forced the movie to not return a profit, which doesn’t happen. He’s been on a campaign of misinformation for months to try to change that determination unsuccessfully and responds to every 12 Strong mention, even when asked to stop.
You wrote this, exact, post and it was removed, hidden, and deleted. Writing it a second time doesn’t make it any less absurd or welcome here. There’s a reason why all of your comments are getting locked/”awaiting moderation”/removed from view. They are not appropriate and you’ve been told to cease.
Your latest rant is absolutely unwanted and absurd. I have no problems with Bob Knee, nor did he mention such. It was completely manufactured by you in trying to continue the unwanted, insufferable communication you insist on continuing on this board. I responded to you when you said that what I wrote is incorrect. I, as you asked, provided the location of the sources.
Your writing continuously as Dylan W, Clockwork, and movieticker (as confirmed by Disqus) has caused you to officially lose the plot and spiral out of control to complete lunacy. I also think it is rich that the person who boldly claimed “if you don’t like what I write, block me” is trying to play victim (again). There’s a reason why all your posts are being ignored here, it’s time for you to go. Your posts and contributions aren’t needed or welcome. Hopefully, that was the last post you feel the need to write here as this is not this board’s intention. Take the drama somewhere else, here we discuss movies not have meltdowns and personal issues with people. It’s now become bizarre, compulsive, and disturbing.
This is not productive, not requested, not on topic, and I am requesting that you stop responding to my posts again. You have stated your opinion and it is enough. No one has gotten personal but you, and it happens in every message you write. There are other avenues for you to seek the attention that you continually crave in your posts, please pursue those avenues instead of responding to me.
Dylan W told you he is not me. Nor is Clockwork myself. This is something you insist and only you. Disqus does not tell you the results of any inquiry nor is anyone aware of any inquiry being made. It is another manufactured statement that was disproven. It is now a crutch for you to continue to post responses that are not requested. Your desire to attack Bob Knee through my post to him and only him after he clearly ignored you is enough to show your problem with him. You hijacked a discussion when it was not invited to achieve that goal. You have a similar problem with Dylan W and Clockwork, and thus you made up this Disqus claim and hijack more posts. You initiate the drama, you respond to others when others ignore you. You need to take the hint, people are ignoring you for a reason. This just cements that you should pursue other avenues.
Again, none of what you wrote is remotely concerned with movies or their box office results. The intention of this board. It’s just another attempt to justify why your toxic, unnecessary behavior should continue. Save it. Better yet, just delete your accounts. Yes, accounts, plural. No one wants to read another 20 plus posts of this nonsense. Nor do we need to experience daily multi-paragraph juvenile rants from someone who has become unhinged to the point of disturbing, bizarre, irrational, compulsive behavior. The most peculiar of which is to respond directly to people in a hostile, abrasive, and derogatory manner continuously, as you just did, and then complain when they have the audacity to expose the behavior and ask for it to cease.
As I wrote before, it’s time for you to leave as you have no intention of acting in accordance with the mission statement of this community. Despite being given every opportunity to appropriately and positively contribute.
Your last post is what multiple people have told you to stop doing. It is your daily posting activity. Thank you for finally admitting your own posting style and disruptive way of posting. That is all anyone has asked for you to recognize and it took this long for you to admit it. It is refreshing to see you admit to your own motives that was evident to everyone.
In terms of posting standards, I would suggest that you start with yourself. Again, stop responding to me. Fix your own posting behavior before making suggestions to others. I anticipate a complete change of behavior from you if you choose to continue. But as it stands, this posting activity of your is not needed, or requested by me or others. It is now up to you to change as you are aware of it.
Alexsays
You wrote all of this before and it was moderated/hidden/removed for a reason. Not only is it completely untrue but now a documented pattern of meritless harassment. This is not the intention of this board and a clear violation of posting privileges. Hence the action on your account and connected names. Your anxiety is a self-inflicted condition of which you can alleviate by changing (and immediately ceasing) your unwelcome, toxic posting behavior. Yet, for some reason you refuse to. Again, this board is for discussion of movies/the box office results of movies… not having perpetual meltdowns and personal issues.
You stated, in retaining your posting privileges here, that you would immediately cease this behavior and stop all communication in this matter with myself (and others) on all your confirmed names, including but not limited to, Dylan W, clockwork, and movieticker as well as any you intend on creating in the future for, said, purpose. I would suggest you start, or as with the other posts you composed… they will be removed, too.
movietickersays
Nothing was hidden or removed. It was a long post three hours ago, so I reposted it shorter to meet Disqus’ requirements for an automatic post. Everything is posted as intended and everything subsequently written has been automatically posted without delay. But keep trying to convince yourself otherwise. This is the pattern of behavior that you keep doing, claiming an alternate reality that isn’t present.
Alexsays
Extrapolating on your dissatisfaction over moderation decisions on your posts is also not welcome here. If you have a problem with their censoring and decisions, you need to bring it to their attention. This is not the place for it.
movietickersays
This is just spam now. Disqus does not allow this. Move on. This has been disproven, along with all your other claims.
Alexsays
Writing the same thing in a third consecutive post is also not needed. You’ve been given ample opportunity to explain yourself, and it didn’t go your way. No one, other than the one who initiated it, can address moderation actions or override it. The actions are visible by everyone here who contributed on the thread, so it’s useless to deny it. It’s now up to you to comply with the rules of this board and remain within acceptable behavior. Or else, it will occur again. The choice is yours.
movietickersays
As Clockwork told you previously, this does not make sense. Nothing you said here is coherent. So at least you can claim consistency. At this point, you are just writing. It is spam, which is writing without a point.
Alexsays
Fourth time in a row… and it still is not necessary nor welcome. Again, this board is for movies and box office results of movies. Not for you to have personal issues with people. One time was too many, now it’s become bizarre, irrational, disturbing, and compulsive.
Jordan Newell Whitesays
Black Panther appears to be making all the other movies flop currently. Avengers: Infinity War looks to be another monster, swallowing up all the other competing movies in the process. Currently, despite the downfall of A Wrinkle in Time, Disney seems to have practically cornered the theatrical market for new movies released in 2018. They have a monopoly. Streaming is the way to go these days. Another threat to the movies is the blockchain. Bitchute, Dtube, Viuly, Flixxo, and other decentralized video services are ready to disrupt the market as well.
That is a major issue. Disney has cornered the market in a way that it is very hard movies to break through and find a path. The days of 100 million plus production outside of Disney are likely coming to an end as there are only so much box office revenue to go around.
I wouldnt say completely. WB and the other studios will still make $100 million plus films for thier biggest series such as Fantastic Beasts, DC, Jurassic Park, Mission Impossible and so forth but for others I do agree they need to be considerate in order to have any chance at profits.
I agree completely. As long as studios continue to have recognizable franchises, accessible to the general audience, they will remain profitable. The bigger issue is maintaining reasonable budgets to allow for a profit. I do think that Netflix, and other streaming outlets, will continue to cater and expand into dominance in the independent film market.
movietickersays
Very considerate. Tentpoles and big IP franchises can likely still have a chance at a profit, but smaller movies have to be cautious.
JMovie loversays
Agreed. Baby Driver, for example, was made at a decent $35 million when it would have cost double that in the early 2000s. What I meant however was that the other studios should not really spend$100 million or more on films that dont have that much of a chance to succeed. King Arthur did not need to be $175 million nor did Geostorm. Either keep the budget reasonable or dont make it at all
movietickersays
The last line is so true. Budgets have to be very mindful.
Ike Reviews AEBGsays
Tomb raider is going to bomb 23 million on a 90 million budget
Now the studio is already got back 100M+ considering 55% domestic, 33-40% EU, 25% China share. It is profitable indeed if you know more about movie revenue breakdown. Marketing cost will be covered by international distribution sales. Literally no one in box office pro classify TR is a bomb.
I think the Amazon Studios stuff even when it doesn’t do well doesn’t belong here. It’s mostly fodder for their streaming service except unlike Netflix they get small to medium theatrical runs.
With Amazon and Netflix, streaming revenue is definitely the primary goal. Amazon can make up the discrepancy, but they $3.8 million domestic box office is a very light haul.
I don’t think Amazon are putting out things like Wonder Wheel, Gringo, The Neon Demon, etc… thinking they’re even going to pull $10m worldwide. I think it’s just to remove the “straight to video” stigma from their products. Now that Netflix picked up some Oscar nominations for direct-to-streaming Mudbound, I imagine Amazon changes this practice to just movies with serious box office or awards potential.
Jared Bellowsays
It seems like Disney is WILDLY under reporting the budget of A Wrinkle in Time at $100m to keep the humiliating disaster off lists such as this one.
A movie that drenched in politics that falls on its face? From Disney? Brought to you by ultra-narcissists Oprah and Ava DuVernay? Definitely unlikely. I’d be shocked if it hit $150m worldwide. It looks a bit short of another John Carter.
I couldn’t finish that article. It was disgusting, horrifying, mindless and exactly the kind of information that makes me vomit. Using Jay-Z as a philosopher instead of Euripides? Yes, I’m certain Mr Beyonce’s tripe will last 2000 years.
movietickersays
Even underestimating the production, A Wrinkle In Time has a real shot at making this list.
Exactly, Jared. Dylan W, this was written to you three times already but 12 Strong is not a bomb nor will make the list. As confirmed by the trades, 12 Strong has already made a profit for WB. It’s becoming bad agenda spam now. Sorry to disappoint.
As I wrote last time: It overperformed studio expectations OW, and with its financial arrangement it’s $30M budget is backstopped from Alcon and WB is only on the hook for P&A. It’s WW total is double its budget and it has yet to enter territories, such as China.
Proud Mary, Den of Thieves (despite being considered for a sequel), Red Sparrow, and 15:17 to Paris are the possibilities to make it onto the list so far.
15:17 to Paris is kind of surprising. Eastwood usually works with very low budgets and there’s not a lot of A list stars or effects. At 50 million worldwide and that it will probably have a decent life on video/cable I’d be shocked if it wasn’t slightly profitable. I can’t imagine it having a huge ad spend, I didn’t hear about it until it was out.
Proud Mary is probably the only sure thing on that list. Den of Thieves seems successful and is still playing. Red Sparrow could be if it has no legs. Actually I might bank on that one being a bomb.
Dylan Wsays
Actually, Den of Thieves made profit. Annihilation is another one to look out for as its legs aren’t looking that great for a movie that opened pretty low during its opening weekend. Red Sparrow could make it on this list as well.
movietickersays
Den Of Thieves made a profit and a sequel is in the works. It is not a bomb at all. It was profitable for STX and how it was profitable was reported in the announcement of the sequel. Proud Mary did not do well in the US, but with a lower budget, it likely will walk away with a close to break even and probably won’t be considered. Same with 15:17 to Paris, the lower budget will be able to break close to even. 12 Strong overperformed slightly in the US, but not enough to offset the lower international totals and the outrageous P&A spend the movie had. It also expanded to IMAX theaters which added to theater costs. It is in flop contention.
12 Strong, Annihilation, and Red Sparrow are all contenders. Proud Mary and 15:17 are close. Den Of Thieves is profitable right now. Not on the list. The Commuter was also profitable, not on the list.
Alexsays
STX is hoping that VOD/streaming/cable (ditto the Commuter) will bring Den of Thieves into profitability but it as of yet is not. The Commuter was saved by the overseas box office like most Liam Neeson vehicles. Hence, Den of Thieves should be considered on the list as a contender.
15:17 to Paris budget ($35M) is larger than 12 Strong ($30M) and did not have the financial arrangement of the latter outlined above. WB was not on the hook for the IMAX theater cost (as it was contractually pre-arranged by Alcon before being acquired by WB) and there was no such outrageous P&A spend, at a reported $8M. They targeted select conservative outlets for the movie, similar to other Patriotic films. Not included is 12 Strong’s healthy video/cable deals which further bring it into the black. If 15:17 to Paris can attain the same, it will be sparred from the list. As stated by others 12 Strong is profitable for WB and not on the list. Nor will it make an appearance.
The contenders remain Den of Thieves, Red Sparrow, Annihilation, Proud Mary, and 15:17 to Paris.
movietickersays
2 people have explained why 12 Strong should be on the list. 3 people have explained why Den Of Thieves is not a bomb. STX and other sources have also. It is widely reported. Copy and pasting the same arguments will not change that. There is nothing left to say. Den Of Thieves will not be on the list. 12 Strong has a chance. And as Jared said, 15:17 will not make the list either.
Alexsays
Multiple people, four to be exact, have composed to you (in this thread and in the 2017 thread) why 12 Strong is not a bomb, how it has been confirmed to be profitable by now for WB, and why the correct determination was made not to be considered for the list. They even broke down an industry article which states how 12 Strong is a huge success for WB and will lead to other similar themed projects in development.
12 Strong will not be on the list no matter how many times you inquire, and under what name you use (movieticker or Dylan W, which coincidentally are the only two names that keep spamming that 12 Strong should be falsely included on the list despite repeatedly being told why it is not). This board is not intended for anti-fan spam or agenda and hopefully now you can move on from it.
Dylan Wsays
I can confirm that I am not movieticker and I was unaware of the industry article concerning 12 Strong’s profitability. I also have no ill will for 12 Strong. In fact, I haven’t even seen it yet so I don’t have an opinion on it either way.
Alexsays
At this point, you need to move on. Writing a regurgitation of the same incorrect points or a defense as to why you should be allowed to trainwreck the discussion needlessly, a week later after the discussion ended, is not productive nor the intention of this board. 12 Strong is profitable for WB and its rejection from consideration on the list thoroughly broken down and explained to you (on both your confirmed by Disqus connected identities). Since you claim to not be engaging in agenda posting, then this should be the last we read regarding 12 Strong on your two names, Dylan W and movieticker. However, I have a feeling it won’t which will just prove the point further.
movietickersays
In regards to 12 Strong, that is because there is not any article printed and available stating that 12 Strong was profitable. The speculation of profitability is the best case scenario for WB, but that does not mean that it actually happened or was verified.
Alexsays
Well, I guess you should be congratulated in having the self-control to not respond to yourself in three days. As was told to you previously, 12 Strong’s profitability was confirmed in five separate industry articles: THR and Variety articles with the financials outlined and explained, mentioned in regards to 15:17 to Paris’ OW box office and WB’s hopes that it emulates a similar path to profitability/success as 12 Strong, spotlighted and described in detail by Forbes, and confirmed again when industry sources wrote about 12 Strong’s lucrative steaming/cable deals (following similar Patriotic themed movies). All which have been confirmed. At this point, it’s just you ignoring everyone else, refusing to accept the industry confirmed and fact checked factual evidence (despite being directed to it by numerous people and having it explained to you repeatedly), and providing your own reality/version of events. And, henceforth, only you who seem to have such a problem accepting the reality of the situation. Part of me does wonder what is the cause of your delusional determination, but it probably isn’t worth it.
Bob Kneesays
Den of Thieves is profitable now. STX isn’t on the hook for anything, it was all by an independent financier (Diamond Films). The international rights were sold off, which helped pay off a majority of the budget, and the ad campaign was fairly inexpensive, not to mention that films like this over-index on the home entertainment side.
movietickersays
Agreed and all of this can be verified in the following links.
I think Annihiliation’s Netflix sell-off internationally will push it into profitability.
movietickersays
The numbers for Netflix’s sell-off internationally has shifted from $20 million to $30 million. Is there a reliable number that we can use as a benchmark? In terms of domestic box office, it’s sitting at roughly $28 million with a $40 million production budget. With domestic P&A spend, that adds to the cost. And it’s unclear whether Netflix or Paramount handles international P&A spend. That would be crucial to know in terms of its profit potential.
Clockworksays
Den of Thieves has made more than 12 Strong while having a similar budget, so what are you even saying?
Alexsays
Similar budget range, but nowhere near the same financial arrangement. Also, Den of Thieves had a much bigger P&A spend than 12 Strong. Which is why one is profitable now (12 Strong) for a studio and the other hopes to be when VOD/cable/streaming deals are finalized (Den of Thieves). The Diamond Films point was previously discussed, and debunked, in the 2017 thread which is why it was ignored here the second time around. I do find it suspect that a week later, three names entered a dormant discussion and decided to compose at the same time inaccurate, propaganda statements with identical tone and word choice. Despite there being absolutely no reason to do so and not bringing anything new, or really relevant, to the discussion. This website does a good job in explaining when a movie breaks even, and the contributing factors of such a determination, take a look at it to alleviate your confusion.
Bob Kneesays
Where have you found the P&A spends for each? Considering how WB is known for blowing a lot on P&A, I’d be very surprised if Den of Thieves spent more. In fact, one of the few articles I’ve found mentions that WB spent a lot more than STX on P&A for a similar opening. Granted, it didn’t give specifics, but I generally trust Deadline.
Alexsays
Deadline doesn’t state P&A figures but instead focuses on producer or studio spin, as you noted. Succeeding industry articles mentioned STX’s true spend with their head stepping down and their hope for it to be profitable in the future. As well as mentioning it again in more detail during Death Wish’s OW. WB curbed P&A spending for 12 Strong to focus on the similarly themed 15:17 to Paris, which they had more to gain from. WB never saw it as their film but a low risk acquisition. As for where both are stated explicitly, it can be seen in the quarterly profiles of every studio of which are reprinted in the aforementioned later articles, among others.
movietickersays
To help clarify, in regards to P&A spend, Den Of Thieves did not have a larger P&A spend than 12 Strong. In fact, the opposite was the case as 12 Strong had a much larger spend launch along with IMAX screenings. WB’s track record of larger P&A spends is absolutely the case and 12 Strong was placed as a January launch to accommodate a larger P&A. This again was printed in Deadline and the statement can be referenced. There’s no reason to not trust Deadline or think a bigger agenda is at play.
These tangent arguments presented seem to support 12 Strong when there is no record of any of the claims Alex has made. 12 Strong P&A spend was never stated as being impacted by 15:17 To Paris and the low risk acquisition claim was not substantiated actual numbers printed by a trade. And the other arguments made subsequently by Alex have been similarly debunked or unsubstantiated. The STX executive was in motion to leave in November 2017 before Den Of Thieves was released in January 2018 and was not related. The financials for Den Of Thieves proving profitability has never been modified or withdrawn. In fact, it has been recorded and easily accessible in numerous trades with further financials proving its validity.
Alexsays
You, literally, wrote this numerous times already to multiple people. Composing the same propaganda posts, yet again, doesn’t make it any less erroneous or unwarranted. Countless people have provided receipts and referenced articles in response to and in alleviating your inaccuracies and confusion. Especially since you aren’t providing any new insight or even factual counterpoints. 12 Strong is profitable and not going to make the list. Den of Thieves hopes to bring its totals into the black by steaming/cable/VOD deals… but until that happens, it’s a possibility to the list. I’m not sure why this causes you such anxiety, but it’s becoming concerning now as its beyond normal rationality. Every one else has accepted this, basic, concept and been able to move on. It seems that you are confused by this website and its purpose but it is not for anti-fan rants. And no one wants to read two to three days later another round of the same nonsense, composed by a series of easily connected names, confirmed to originate from the same individual.
movietickersays
Den Of Thieves made a profit. I’m not sure why you can’t accept this but its been stated numerous times with facts, figures, and sources from reputable trades. Future numbers do not have to be included. It is profitable now and an inability to accept the actual financials doesn’t negate or refute written and documented statements proving otherwise.
With 12 Strong, it has not been recorded anywhere where 12 Strong has made a profit with actual financials. Others have said they can’t follow your argument as it is not recorded financially. Your own statement had a future trajectory in China’s box office helping out 12 Strong to help push it into a profit. That is the difference, and this
has been explained multiple times to you by multiple people. Den Of Thieves is profitable, 12 Strong may or may not be when actual financials are examined. We simply don’t know with the financials given. For some reason, you refuse to look at the financials and this is also in your analysis of 15:17 To Paris, The Commuter, Death Wish among others. When multiple people have arrived at the same conclusion, you add unsubstantiated claims that we are all connected or have attachments to movies. These continued insults to everyone who respond to you are not needed and ruins your argument further.
Alexsays
I’ll bottom line it for you. We don’t need you composing under two names in continuing wholly inaccurate, repetitive, propaganda fueled discussions and reigniting long dormant conversations. Nor, do we need you creating new names, intending solely to agree with you/continue said discussion, when everyone else wise enough to see the obvious connection ignores you and your contributions to this board. You’ve been at this since November of last year. I get it, you are angry at being wrong. But it’s time to let it go. No one cares to see this continue until November of this year and beyond. Everything you just composed was stated before, explained how it is incorrect and provided actual article references, and asked to stop. Today alone, you were provided five industry articles in rebuttal of your inaccurate stance which you refuse to look at/think you know better. Most people would apologize for trainwrecking the discussion and move on. However, you can’t seem to and you continue to engage in the same foolery you compose every couple days. Rinse. Repeat. It’s not everyone else, it’s you. And it’s not needed or welcome here.
movietickersays
It’s very revealing that this is how you respond. All insults, no argument presented, and completely inaccurate in the entire statement.
However, the last line is the most telling. I do not recall you being the owner or moderator of this board. Telling members that they are not welcome here or needed is way out of bounds. It goes beyond insults, and beyond reasonable discourse. If you don’t want to read, there is a block button for that function. I have been very civil to you, and stuck to the facts. It’s a shame you did not.
Alexsays
As composed to you today, here are the articles: “THR and Variety articles with the financials outlined and explained, mentioned in regards to 15:17 to Paris’ OW box office and WB’s hopes that it emulates a similar path to profitability/success as 12 Strong, spotlighted and described in detail by Forbes, and confirmed again when industry sources wrote about 12 Strong’s lucrative steaming/cable deals (following similar Patriotic themed movies).” Review them at your leisure and, henceforth, there should be no further need for you to continue this or any other later identical discussions. Continuing to justify why you should be allowed to create multiple names and continue unwanted, toxic communications on this board is just as bad as the act itself. As I wrote before, you’ve been given six months to state your case. It’s not happening as you want, nor is it going to. Instead of regurgitating unwelcome responses, deal with it offline.
movietickersays
There is not a link to any of this, as was stated last time when you mentioned this. A google search does not pull up any specifics in terms of financials. You provided this as “proof” previously and others have refuted it. As others stated, it’s the hope that it could be profitable and how it could make a profit. You even added your own future measurement of China’s box office to support this which could not be verified. It never tied into 15:17 To Paris. That was a link you seemed to make and was also refuted. The claim made that I was “shown five new articles today” is incorrect. This is not five new articles. It is not new. It was not brought up to me by anyone but you at this moment. It is not even one new one today. All have been refuted previously. This is nothing new to add here or a new revelation, as it has been expressed by others previously. Again, your case is confusing and doesn’t follow financials. That is the one issue the whole time in your correspondence with numerous people. And then the insults, which are still prevalent.
Alexsays
Your last response, to address your confusion, is the epitome of what should not happen here and is not necessary. Curt dismissal of anyone willing to discuss with factual evidence and creating your own reality because it differs from what you want it to be. Only you seem to have this lingering problem. There is no “new” information because those are the true financials of 12 Strong. Which is the criteria used by every film, not just 12 Strong, in determining its success. They aren’t going to change and they were told to you by multiple here in confirming why it is profitable and not on the list. Variety, for example, is going to write yet another article stating the same thing because you don’t want to believe it to be true. At that time, you should have ceased this nonsense. However, since you can’t, there’s nothing else to provide other than to remind you again of the criteria the film industry uses in classifying a bomb and at what point a movie makes money for a studio. Using, said, industry articles to support the appropriate determination. Furthermore, you can’t feign being the victim when you are logging onto this board with the sole purpose of creating a disruption under multiple names. And, since you suggested the block option, others on this board have tried to no use. As you write under multiple names. Nor should they have to in avoiding your continuous, unwanted style of posting. The only option then is for people with the intention of contributing to leave or feel uncomfortable in posting, which also should not happen. As you don’t have the right to impact other’s enjoyment of this board nor state boldly if you don’t like my insufferable rants and stifling posting, block me.
movietickersays
In conclusion, there are no financials that you can provide with actual references in regards to 12 Strong. That’s the point that others have told you and why it’s hard to follow your argument. It’s OK to state that the information isn’t provided as in the case of 12 Strong it isn’t, at least not publicly. It’s easier to say that than insults when asked for proof.
Alexsays
No, in conclusion: Five articles were provided to you, when prompted. All which contain the financials of 12 Strong and, clearly, rebuke your stance. They have been submitted by numerous people to your attention whom all, clearly, understood the counterpoint. You have yet to review them, haven’t discussed them, and have no intention to. Which your latest response clearly demonstrates. Instead, all you have composed is toxic, propaganda pieces that shape the reality into what you want to be true, instead of what actually is. Only you have this complication and roadblock in moving on. It’s ok to admit that you were wrong and 12 Strong is profitable, despite your prediction last November. However, it’s not ok to continue the same rinse and repeat toxic communications on this board under multiple names.
Alexsays
As mentioned previously, Alcon paid for the IMAX screenings as part of WB’s acquisition deal of 12 Strong. WB is not on the hook for that cost and is only in for the P&A spending, which has been confirmed by multiple industry articles at $8M. Movies aren’t placed in January to accommodate larger P&A spend. WB selected the date because it was the same as American Sniper and other similarly themed military themed, red state leaning films. The rest of your response is a regurgitated copy and paste of points debunked and proven to be false by five industry articles which support and fully illustrate 12 Strong’s profitability, financials included. Articles which you refuse to read and continue to push on with your agenda. They aren’t untrue as people have gone on record.
When pressed, you have yet to produce a single shred of evidence to support your claims. All you state is vague comments. When asked for specific links of referenced articles, since no one has been able to locate it, you ignore the request. Which is unsurprising because, like everything else you’ve composed, it’s wholly manufactured, inaccurate agenda posting. There is no record of the profitability of Den of Thieves yet beyond conjecture. You keep claiming it exists, yet have not provided any factual evidence to prove this or support that it received the streaming/VOD/cable deals needed to make it profitable. The only thing you say is it’s being considered for a sequel, but this situation (for example with Star Trek 4) has happened before. Studios announce sequels, hoping to increase interest to bring the film in the black to warrant it. It was a PR ploy, nothing more. If benchmarks are not reached, the sequel is scrapped. As of yet, the benchmarks have not been reached and the project has been placed on the back burner for the studio. Your claim of knowing the timeline of an executive dismissal is the most ludicrous of false claims you’ve made yet. The financials proving profitability of Den of Thieves haven’t been withdrawn, because they don’t exist yet. Nor have you provided evidence that it does.
movietickersays
Bob Knee is correct. There is no point in discrediting him as the article is there to reference. All of these 12 Strong claims have been posted by you previously and disproven by multiple people. The facts and figures you claim have never been released publicly or quoted anywhere when fact checked and you have been told that repeatedly. It is now been months and you are still trying to sell the same argument that has been rejected. Copy and pasting them again does not make them any more valid. You have been told by Clockwork and by others that they do not make sense, and yet you continue to go on with these figures. In fact, it’s only you that continues to claim that your facts are right and when asked, provide nothing new to the table but these disproven claims. There’s no point in telling you what others have told you as you refuse to believe anything but facts and figures never released. More importantly, your issue is with Bob Knee, not me. I am not going to solve a problem that you obviously have with him. It is your personal issue.
As for the Den Of Thieves claims, multiple people,including myself, have given you the exact links, the exact quotes, and the exact financials for it. These are from industry trades that were never amended or forecasted, as you falsely claim in every message. You continue to claim that there is an “agenda” for posting them, we are
all “connected”, or some other absurd conspiracy theory. In this regard, it is you causing your own confusion in seeing the obvious. Quite frankly, you know the financials, you read them, and your only conclusion is that it is made up or some other absurd theory in denial. It is not our responsibility to fix the roadblock you have caused
because you do not want to accept what is on screen.
JMovie loversays
Keep your eye on Red Sparrow. With a $69 million budget, it lis looking to just open with $16-17 million. Granted overseas could allow it to break even but keep a close eye.
Check this out, it failed in the Box Office. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Robin_(film)
Made almost 200 million dollars worldwide on a 75 million dollar budget. I wouldn’t call that a flop.
Wonder Park may be in dead meat for next year.
You can at least give a nice, logical explanation to that and why.
It’s up against How To Train Your Dragon, Captain Marvel, and Dumbo.
And it costs 100 million $ to make.
CRAZY RICH ASIANS BOMBED-in China, no less!!! https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/crazy-rich-asians-goes-ignored-194357597.html?.tsrc=daily_mail&uh_test=1_02 There always Japan to worried about!!!
Because the film isn’t really tailored to Asia. Its main asset is it being one of the few films in recent Hollywood history to have a majority Asian cast, which is meaningless in countries where plenty of local films have all-Asian casts. Also, China’s recent crackdown on the wealthy doesn’t help either.
It’s also a rom-com, which don’t always fare well internationally–unlike big, colorful comic book films.
Also, the Chinese typically care more about visual effects and explosions than an actual story.
Say what you will, but Hero is better than most U.S. films.
The Hate U Give grossed $31 million on a $23 million budget. Might be worth looking into.
What? No mention of Operation Finale? It’s amazing the movie didn’t do better. The story of nazis killing jews is definitely a topic that needs to be portrayed in a movie….every 3 months….
Netflix bought the rights, just like Anhilation, so it technically it doesn’t count as a bomb
Mortal Engines is in dead meat.
It has 2 weeks before its death.
And it’s competing with “Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse”, “Mary Poppins Returns”, and “Aquaman”, all three being the big heavy hitters of Christmas. I think there’s ZERO chance it’s going to make it’s 100+ million dollar budget back.
Don’t forget Bumblebee
I don’t think that “Bumblebee” is going to be that big of a heavy hitter for Paramount. I am expecting it to make a decent profit, but not as much as the three big heavy hitters for Christmas.
International is key
Look like Andy Serkis’ Mowgli: Legend of the Jungle will be a big loser in the Big Screen, since it’s so much overshadowed the Jon Faverau version!!!
It was released on Netflix, and the limited theatrical release was there just to support the film’s Netflix. There was NO information on the budget(from what I found), but I’m guessing it cost at least 150 million dollars to make. Regardless, thanks to the film’s Netflix release, it’s not going to lose money for Warner Bros.
Where’s robin hood
In Sherwood Forest
Mojo says it went wide from 22 theaters Nov 20 to 807 theaters on Nov 21. In its first weekend November 23-25 it only earned $630,000; just over half of its total gross revenue so far. The only question isn’t whether The Front Runner is a critical and commercial bomb but whether it will still be in 22 theaters by the time “Vice” is released on Christmas Day. Starring Christian Bale as Dick Cheney, it’s this season’s other Oscar-bait American political biography movie.
I don’t see Vice doing very well either. The budget is way too high for a Dick Cheney biopic. That being said, awards season doesn’t seem to be too competitive so far.
Everything that seems to be hyped up this year before they come out die a somewhat quiet death, Green Book and First Man being the main ones that come to mind.
Box Office Mojo reports “Robin Hood” has grossed $14 million in its first 5 days of wide release in America and a few other countries on an estimated $100 million budget. It’s going to open in additional countries this upcoming weekend however, barring some kind of miracle for Lionsgate, there’s no way it will gross anywhere near $100 million.
All movies bomb at the box office big deal
Get ready 4 Robin Hooc.
Robin Hood was dead long before it hit theaters. Green Book as well. Nutcracker, Widows, Tyler Perry’s Nobody’s Fool. Crap crap crap!
Just because a movie flops financially, that doesn’t mean that the movie isn’t good. Green Book and Widows are some of my favorite movies to come out this year.
With a total of 800k at 1k locations, it’s time to close ‘Green Book’. And with a take of 14m and a 100m budget, it looks like ‘Robin Hood’ is shot, too.
Robin Hood is probably toast but still has plenty of countries to go and Green Book still has plenty of time to expand and recover.
Where are the pages for A.X.L, Dog Days, Life Itself, and Mile 22?
Mile 22 budget 35 mil, WW 66 mil at now, not a bomb…
Why do they bother to turn “The Nutcracker” into a movie? Every film version of the classic ballet has bombed miserably, including the Macaulay Culkin version and an ill-advised 3-D film. Now it’s Disney’s turn to find out that this property is box-office poison…
Robinhood – Deserves a spot – A well deserved spot
It cost 90 million dollars to make and it’s going to make NONE of it back.
Looks like Driving Mr Ali AKA Green Book is coming here.
HEY MACARENA
I think Robin Hood will end up here.
Yeah, 19% on RT, same day as Wreck-It Ralph 2 and Creed 2, didn’t hear about it until recently, probably gonna bomb hard.
Well, you both were right, it’s cratering at the box office.
The Front Runner may be one of the worst awards busts in recent years. The opening for that one has just been atrocious.
Jason Reitman has been on the decline at the box office ever since he put Labor Day out a few years ago.
Girl in the Spider’s Web isn’t gonna make up its budget, and Hate U Give should be a pending title.
Then there’s the John Travolta disaster “Speed Kills”.
First Man won’t finish it’s run worlwide until it gets released in Colombia, Japan and Argentina. I hope the WW saves this movie, as it did, thankfully, to Alpha.
Well, Widows and Instant Family need good word of mouth to get into profitability.
I don’t think that Widows is going to have a hard time doing that and I imagine that it will be playing for a while due to being one of the big Awards contenders. Instant Family will probably be another lesson in keeping the budget down. I mean, they spent $48 million on it! That’s way too high and I imagine it was mostly due to Wahlberg’s involvement.
Wahlberg continually proves his high salary demands are not worth the investment.
Widows is just whether the mainstream will embrace it. Mediocre Cinemascore might drag it down a bit. Instant Family seems to have good word of mouth, but it really should have cost half of what it does.
And Widows is having a pretty big drop this week, definitely not a good sign.
I just hate how all of these awful big cash grab movies reel in the money while actual good movies are left to the wayside.
Suspiria was my second favourite movie of the year and it’s going to literally make make like 1 million dollars off of a 20 million budget not counting marketing.
Amazon doesn’t really need it to make money, the goal is just to get people talking about their stuff and their service, along with getting you eventually hooked into the Prime system.
Despite a way too long running time, Suspiria was such a fantastic watch. Completely bonkers filmmaking and I hope it gets a proper release in a few European markets.
Saw Suspiria at a small arthouse this weekend and it stuck with me, saw Bohemian Rhapsody afterwards and thought it was totally boring and paint by numbers.
I’m really hoping that Overlord doesn’t make it on here…
I kind of envy all this big studio films or the Franchisee’s that make into breakeven even with Crappier films. I’m talking about Fantastic Beasts – Crimes of Grindelwald.
The Girl in the Spider’s Web is gonna end up here.
Er, are you sure about that cora? Halloween (2018), production budget $10 Million took in $157 Million Domestic & $88 Million Foreign.
A massive success 🙂
Mojo says “First Man” had a $59 Million production budget and took only $43.875 Million Domestic. It was moderately marketed so I’m only guessing but wouldn’t be surprised if those costs were around $20 Million. However, it looks like Foreign audiences ($50 Million) saved it from bombing. Should the studio thank the exclusion of an American flag-planting scene for that?
I concur with multiple people here, First Man is a massive bomb and I’m puzzled why it is not included. Even the trades have mentioned it as a Gosling October bomb that looks set to lose $50 million plus for the studio. Also, the P&A expenditure for First Man was, very, splashy and is reported at $45 million, not $20 million. Furthermore, with taxes, etc. you only receive a small portion of the foreign box office intake. So, at $50 million, you are looking at around $30 million. In order to make a profit, First Man would have to take in about $120 to $150 million WW.
Added it to pending. It still has some overseas markets left and if it lands nominations, it could capitalize off of that.
Agreed. Unless it scores overseas(which is unlikely because of the heavy competition) and/or gets it’s Academy Award nominations, “First Man” is going to lose a decent amount of money for Universal. That is just sad. It only played at my local movie theater for two weeks, and when it got to it’s third week, it was gone! Even “Venom” is continuing to play at my local theater despite coming out before “First Man” did! It deserved to do better for sure.
It still has a good 5 territories that can add another $20 mn at the least. So i think it has a chance for not being on this list.
it is still awaiting about Cina release date
The remaining territories for First Man are all very small and will contribute, at best, $5M. Patriotic themed films have never done well in those areas. China has already passed on a release date for it and is unlikely to reconsider. Also, there is no need to post multiple times under different names. We understand your point all the same and it isn’t going to change its likely addition to the list. There’s a reason why the industry trades have all included it as a bomb.
Looks like ‘Girl in the Spider’s Web’ is all wrapped up.
Does anyone think Widows or The Girl In The Spider’s Web will end up here due to the competition? Maybe even Fantastic Beasts 2 due to mixed reviews.
Widows should be fine assuming it doesnt completley flop next weekend. It did decently in the UK this week. Girl in the Spider’s Web is toast. Grindlewald will be saved by overseas but WB may want to reconsider the five film plan
Why so pessimistic about FB2? WB expectations US opening are around $65 million, and there is a good start too overseas…
Box Office predictions are now down a tiny bit to 60 million dollars on it’s opening weekend in the USA. It is a good start for sure, but considering that it cost a massive 200 million dollars to make, it might need to do better than that. Speaking of which, I saw “The Crimes Of Grindelwald” today. It’s not by any means an AWFUL sequel, but it’s very, VERY average. It has very little action compared to the first film(which I quite liked) and is quite boring in places. I still think it has enough legs to make it’s budget back in the USA, and it will do VERY well overseas, but I will agree, Warner Bros. might need to reconsider their 5 film strategy there. At least it was better than “Justice League”(despite opening with 30 million dollars more(90 million dollars), but costing 100 million dollars more(300 MILLION DOLLARS!).)!
where’s Alpha
Worldwide numbers are over $100M — not updated on mojo
a lot of mid range movies are updating no more on mojo
Alpha 50 mil budget, 100 mil boxoffice worldwide, not a bomb
Another best site for instant updates are the-numbers. Just so to keep yourself a tab aboce Boxoffice mojo
I have a feeling that The Hate U Give and Nutcracker are gonna end up here.
Same here, along with First Man.
I HAVE A FEELING THAT TONIGHT”S GONNA BE A GOOD NIGHT
Where’s Mile 22?
I think an article is being made right now.
Nothing would make me happier than adding another lousy, deep state worshiping Peter Berg movie to the site but it appears it did cost about $35M and not $50M. It was set up as a low budget feature, but when STX landed Wahlberg for 3/4 of his normal salary, the budget tripled to $35M. The poor reception hopefully killed off the planned trilogy.
What i think will be the flops list for this year: January: Proud Mary. February: Early Man. March: Death Wish, A Wrinkle In Time, Pacific Rim Uprising, Sherlock Gnomes. April: Sgt. Stubby An American Hero. May: Solo A Star Wars Story. June: Adrift, Action Point, Hotel Artemis, Superfly. August: The Spy Who Dumped Me, The Darkest Minds, Dog Days, Mike 22, Alpha, The Happytime Murders, A.X.L., Papillon, Kin. September: Peppermint, The Predator, White Boy Rick, Fahrenheit 11/9, Life Itself. October: Bad Times At The El Royale, Hunter Killer. November: The Nutcracker And The Four Realms, Overlord, Robin Hood. December: Mortal Engines, Welcome To Marwen. That’s 33 flops this year.
Why Peppermint? budget 25 Mil, boxoffice US 35 Mil, worldwide 49 Mil
Halloween should be on that list to
I hope you are joking about that.
Not sure if you’re joking or insane.
Ryan Gosling is box office poison. Hasn’t had a hit in a solo starring role since Drive. That was 2011.
Yes, Hollywood will wise up and start casting him only in ensemble movies like a comic book movie or a reboot of the Ocean’s Eleven franchise.
I wouldn’t even call Drive a “hit”. Only really became a big deal on home media.
Well, I think Overlord is going to be on this list. I know it doesn’t come out until Friday but it costs $38 million and it has stiff competition. I just don’t see it doing well enough to make a profit. I’m surprised that Paramount didn’t just sell this one off to Netflux like they did with The Cloverfield Paradox.
They could sell this to more of a cult audience and it also was higher quality. Might catch on what it comes out on home media.
Nutcracker seems like it couldn’t crack the box office.
Peppermint budget 25 million box office 46 million
Disney is ready for “Nutcracker” to go down in flames.
Not according to BOM, also doesn’t scream to me as a international play. Has to make at least double globally to have a shot, and I personally don’t think the other territories will make up for it.
And everyone who wonders if First Man was too political, it wasn’t that which killed it. The ads didn’t look interesting and neither was the film.
In agreement with the other contributor, El Royale is not a bomb and will not make the list. It’s done enough to avoid the bullet already and films like that overindex in the secondary market. Does not fit the website’s criteria, which BOM supports. No need for further discussion about it.
I also concur that First Man is dead and should be an immediate addition to the list. It’s another October bomb for Ryan Gosling. Hunter Killer is another one destined for the list.
Bad Times at the El Royale had a bad time at the box office, needs to be on this list.
Has already made its $30 million budget back with more international territories to roll out. With SVOD, cable rights, and DVD sales it will be in the black. Not a bomb, and thus appropriately not on the list. First Man, however, has a great shot at making the list.
As of 10/31 El Royale has grossed less than $28 million worldwide and is not likely to make much more. The studio will see back approximately $15.4 million of that. The production budget is $32 million not including P&A costs. The film will definitely not make back a penny of its production costs in release at the theater and will probably lose some of the P&A. It may not be considered a “bomb”, but it is still going to lose money even after VOD, cable and DVD/Blu sales.
Your math is flawed at multiple points, but that’s a discussion for another venue. El Royale’s international rollout, which is slightly higher than you stated because boxofficemojo updates weekly, is in its beginning stages and will continue into next year. Currently, Its international totals are skewing identical to other similar films and there is no reason to believe VOD, cable, and DVD/blu sales won’t mirror those established comparisons. When all is finalized, it’ll certainly be in the black.
But none of what I stated is particularly relevant in context to this website which declares if a movie is a bomb or not. As you stated yourself, and I agree, El Royale is not considered a bomb and, appropriately, will not be included on the list. That’s what’s important here, not trying to debate whose logic getting to the same conclusion is more exact.
Not sure where you find flawed math. You incorrectly stated that the movie had made its $30 Million dollar budget back. The studio has in fact only made back 55% of the film’s current grosses of around $28 million – which is $15.4 million. The budget has not been made back as P&A costs must be paid off first, and it is certain that they invested over $15.4 million in that area.
The movie does have 6 more countries in which to open, however, they are not major markets. I agree they will help to partially pay down the production budget. Unless you are privy to the P&A spend on the movie it is impossible to tell how much of the budget will be met and state that the movie will certainly be in the black. That is all I was clarifying.
P&A expenditures for every film are readily available and reported by the trades as well as websites such as the numbers. They are also reaffirmed in a studio’s quarterly profile. Again, I am not going to argue math with you because this is not the intention here. However, it is very possible to make conclusions on a film’s projection and potential profitability based on established trends and models. El Royale has made its $30M budget back already with international markets included and based on its model, will be in the black when VOD, cable, and streaming is included. There seems to be a misconception about concepts here, which is causing your confusion, but again that is for another venue.
What is important here is your statement, which I agree with, that El Royale is not a bomb and will not be included on the list. I would also ask kindly to refrain from using multiple user names in this particular discussion. Especially one that is an, exact, duplication of someone else. It just confuses those who want to follow along.
So apparently my math wasn’t flawed: https://bombreport.com/yearly-breakdowns/2018-2/bad-times-at-the-el-royale/ And to clarify, the budget of the movie was $32M not $30M. Despite the further revenue streams you mention, the movie will still end up losing money as the cable pays less for movies that are not hits at the box office. Even after the VOD etc. are taken into effect, the movie will still be in the red.
GVN managed to score the second-worst wide opening TWICE in one year. That’s gotta count for something.
Shine and London Fields are both budgeted well under $20 million so they won’t end up on this list. You’re right though, GVN is not doing well at all right now.
I GOTTA FEELING THAT’S TONIGHT’S GONNA BE A GOOD NIGHT
I’ve got a feeling that Hunter Killer will end up on here.
And it flopped opening with $6.6 million against its $40 million budget.
Its because noone wants to see lionsgate crap
Lionsgate puts out good movies from time to time but most of their movies tend to be meh or mediocre in my opinion.
The Sisters Brothers’ expansion tanked on arrival with a lousy $757K on a budget of $38 Million.
The way the new Johnny English movie coming out, looks like it’ll be another bust, since nobody didn’t care about the first two here in the US, anyway!!!
Those things make a lot of money overseas, so it’ll be fine.
True ! It already marked $100 mn International. Recovering to most of its costs . . . Film is budgeted around $45 mn.
Release in US is only a name sake. The Reborn did only $8 mn final run in US.
It’s looks like First Man will avoid being listed here with $55 million worldwide after 8 days against a $59 budget.
First man to my opinion is going to be pretty safe enough.
or may post a little or dismissible loss. $5 mn ~ 10 mn, which the studio may cover with DVD and Streaming rights.
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“The Darkest Minds” FINALLY ended it’s theatrical run with a disastrous 12.6 million dollars(see https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=thedarkestminds.htm)in the USA. Just wanted to point it out.
Life Itself, A.X.L, Dog Days, and Mile 22 should all be added by now. they have ended their runs.
Due to complications with Annapurna, Netflix was given the rights to broadcast MGM’s Operation Finale internationally. I do suspect that those rights would eventually go back to MGM becuz…..well, MGM is MGM.
*Netflix has gotten
Life Itself budget 10 million box office 4 million
Annihilation was sold internationally to Netflix, covering a lot of the budget.
What about “Annihilation”?
Alpha could do well, only 5 million more to go.
Just so you know, I made the comment, so ignore “Anonymous”. Also, Smallfoot has made $110 million today so it does have a chance of breaking even. I didn’t know Annihilation was sold to Netflix internationally either, but it did fail at the US box office. Other than that, The Predator, A.X.L, and Gotti are definite flops.
Let us grieve for the loss of Bad Times at the El Royale, a Tarantino film with no Tarantino. May it become the cult classic that it deserves to be.
Also, First Man needs legs to survive, because it didn’t do great this weekend.
Get ready for “The Sisters Brothers”. So far it has earned $1 million domestic as its budget was $38 million!
The mini-implosion of Annapurna doesn’t help either.
More flops this year:
Smallfoot (because Box Office Mojo did not have the production budget on their site, I had to check Google, and it has a budget of $80 million, and while it’s still in theaters, it has only grossed $88 million and keeps making less and less money)
The Predator (budget of $88 million according to Box Office Mojo, and just like Smallfoot, it’s still in theaters, and it has only made $123 million, and people are losing interest in seeing it)
Annihilation (budget of $40 million according to Box Office Mojo, made only $32 million)
A.X.L (according to Google, it has a budget of around $10 million, and has only made $6 million)
Mile 22 (closed domestic run, budget of $50 million according to Box Office Mojo, and made $59 million)
Alpha (budget of $51 million according to Box Office Mojo, made $79 million)
White Boy Rick (budget of $29 million according to Box Office Mojo, made $23 million)
Gotti ($10 million budget according to Google, made $4 million)
These pages should be added.
Mile 22, Alpha, and White Boy Rick are up top as waiting for their international box office to be finished before being added. Annihilation was sold to Netflix internationally, so it’s probably fine financially. Feel like it’s too early to tell for Smallfoot, but I think it might break-even in the end.
Im sure Smallfoot can pull off from being a bomb. Has a pretty decent market yet to open.
Sherlock Gnomes was a flop? Wow! It was actually a good movie. My kids enjoyed it very much. Very surprising. I never heard of the Hurricane Heist movie. Probably explains why it flopped.
Yeah, those could lose some money.
in November, i can see The Nutcracker And The Four Realms and Robin Hood flopping and in December, i can see Mortal Engines and Welcome To Marwen flopping.
I agree.
Disney has another “A Wrinkle In Time” in their hands with “The Nutcracker And The Four Realms”. It’s VERY obvious that the film cost at LEAST 100 million dollars to make, and I doubt it will make it back in the USA. And it will also have a hard time overseas due to all the competition it has, especially with it’s family audience(“The Grinch”(2018) and “Ralph Breaks The Internet”(the latter also coming from Disney)) and will end up losing money for Disney. Did I mention it looks like it focuses more on it’s visuals than it’s ACTUAL STORY?
“Robin Hood”(2018) will do terribly for Lionsgate. I can easily tell that the budget was somewhere in the 90-100 million dollar range(which is admittedly less than the huge 200 million dollar budget that Ridley Scott’s “Robin Hood” film had(and that was from 8 years ago(2010). Of course, it also became a flop for Universal, but it was a rather small one at that.) and I think that the film will make around HALF of that worldwide. Add in the fact that there’s a TON of competition(“Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes Of Grindelwald”, “Creed II”, the aforementioned “Ralph Breaks The Internet”, and several others) and the film is destined for failure. And another franchise non-starter for Lionsgate. Not to mention that the film reminds me of the “King Arthur” film that became a MASSIVE flop last year. And NOT in a good way.
“Mortal Engines” will just become another YA franchise non-starter, and will easily be lost and forgotten about during the holiday season. Sure, Peter Jackson is involved in the film(he produced the film and also wrote the script), but there are LITTLE TO NO big name stars(with Hugo Weaving being the ONLY big name actor in this film), a first time director(Christian Rivers, who before making this film, he only worked as a visual effects supervisor for Weta Digital), and the trailers constantly showing off the visuals more than the ACTUAL STORY, and that’s a big sign that the film is NOT going to end up well. Not to mention that this film has an estimated budget of 100 million dollars, which I’m very sure the film will not make back. Add in tons of competition that Christmas(“Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse”, “Mary Poppins Returns”, “Aquaman”, “Bumblebee”, and a few others), and this film is going to not last long in theaters. Enough said.
“Welcome to Marwen” looks just plain ODD, and will also last for a short amount of time during the holiday season. Robert Zemeckis has been in a bad spot recently, with both “The Walk” and “Allied” flopping at the box office. Sure, the animation style the film is VERY unique, but it’s also very WEIRD as a result. I can see the film’s budget being somewhere in the 70-80 million dollar range, and I doubt it will make ANY of it back. Add in the competition that the film has(which I already talked about when I talked about “Mortal Engines”, so I will not talk about it again.) and this film will be another money loser for Universal. Speaking of Universal, yes! Both “Mortal Engines” and “Welcome to Marwen” are their big Christmas releases! And both of the will flop and lose money for them! Way to go!(of course, I was being sarcastic.)
On the hand, let’s talk about the good stuff.
“Bohemian Rhapsody” will end up making a clean profit for Fox, and Queen fans will definitely flock to see it.
“The Grinch”(2018) will end up being another huge hit for Illumination/Universal.
“Overlord” will be a sleeper hit for Paramount.
“The Girl In The Spider’s Web” could make some money for Sony.
“Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes Of Grindelwald” will become another box office winner for Warner Bros., and will be their highest grossing film this year.
“Widows” will do well enough for Fox and will end up being talked about A LOT for next year’s Academy Awards.
“Ralph Breaks The Internet” will be another hit for Disney.
“Creed II” will do good enough at the box office for MGM.
“Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse” will do VERY well for Sony and will end up being Sony Pictures Animation’s highest grossing film ever if it does well.
“Mary Poppins Returns” will be a HUGE hit for Disney.
“Aquaman” will make a good profit for Warner Bros.
“Bumblebee” will make a solid profit for Paramount.
And that’s just a few films!
Just call the Disney movie, “Wreck-It Ralph 2” because “Wreck-It Ralph” is the answer to DreamWorks’ “Shrek”.
The budget for The Nutcracker And The Four Realms is a WHOPPING 132 million $!
Actually, Girl in the Spider’s Web and Overlord aren’t starting off too well.
Mile 22 ended it’s run now.
Do you think Peppermint could have a spot on this list?
The Predator isn’t showing a lot of growth from the last one in box office, so it may be a bomb.
After the early reviews on Venom . . . . . Do any of you think. It would be a probable scenario for it to be on this list.
It looks like Venom will be a huge success. It had exceeded expectations this weekend despite poor reviews
Dog Days budget 10 million box office: 7 million
I think we can add Mile 22 now.
If The Predator doesn’t start making more money overseas, it’s going to end up on here too. Once again, I guess most people aren’t interested in the Predator franchise.
Jeez, Lionsgate and STX are really having a rough year. And from looking at their release schedules, they won’t have it any better (maybe barring Second Act).
You mean Robin Hood, the film no one wants to see, might bomb?
Have to say that it really has not done a good job in marketing. Looks too similar to the King Arthur movie last year.
Could Fahrenheit 11/9 be added here?
Its budget is so low that even if it doesn’t make a profit, it won’t make it on the list. The budgets have to be $20 million or higher.
Shame the fat slob deserves the dishonor. But then again half the movies on here are better than anything he’s ever done.
I take it you may not like Michael Moore.
Whatever asher your probably a trump supporter.
I honestly don’t know what’s going to flop in October.
Hunter Killer is the only one I’m confident will flop in October. Bad Times at the El Royale might get overlooked as well.
The reason A Wrinkle In Time bombed was because the director found it necessary to change the book. Sure, she stuck to the basic story but she made a number of changes that DIDN’T follow the story to make it more “relatable” and to promote her own social agenda. Margaret Murry was described in the book as being skinny, freckled with mousy brown, stringy hair. The Murry family had two other children besides Meg and Charles Wallace–twins named Sandy & Denys. The Murry family lived in an old New England farmhouse NOT in LA. The three “witches” in the book first appeared to the Murry children as three old ladies–in particular, tramps or homeless people and not beautiful, made up creatures. While these details seem minor to some people, they make a difference in the “feel” of a movie. For those of us who actually read “A Wrinkle in Time” (along with the other three books in the series (A Wind in the Door, A Swiftly Tilting Planet, Many Waters etc.) it makes all the difference in the world. I also don’t feel it was necessary to change the race of the characters in order to make them “relatable”. Everyone on this planet who’s ever felt different, odd or that they just didn’t fit in and has been bullied for it can relate to Meg no matter what color they are. And the sideline about Meg’s bully feeling bad about herself by showing her alone in her room standing on the scale looking dejected NEVER appeared in the book either. If the director was trying to make her point, she beat it to death with a stick. I’m sure if Madeline L’Engle were alive she would tell you herself, “Don’t re-write my book!” Books like the Harry Potter series translated to audiences well because the author is still alive and could be consulted regarding the look of the actors, the set design, the special affects etc. Ms. L’Engle was totally against having her books set to film because she believed that a child’s imagination was limitless as to what the characters, the Murray’s home, the different planets and what it looked and felt like when you tesser couldn’t be captured on film. The only example of a children’s series of books that succeeded without being able to consult the author was C.S. Lewis’s, The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe and that was successful because they stuck to the story as it was written.
It was a mixture of no one caring about the source material anyways now and the fact that all of the original spiritual context was deemphasized, alienating both the remaining few fans of the book and religious folks. Pure location and looks being changed aren’t really important, it’s the heart of the story that counts. Besides, skin color and location don’t seem to have been really key points in the first place.
So true
I will say no
Assassination Nation got killed this weekend.
“Life Itself,” AKA “This Is Us: The Movie,” flopped big time this weekend.
This is Us is way better than Life Itself.
It’s financed by Chinese billionaires, not exactly independent.
Damn it, this was supposed to be a reply to that guy claiming Alpha was independent.
Happytime Murders fell a whopping 99% this week, it’s doomed.
It dropped 87% because it lost over 1,500 theaters. Despite being in the minority that really enjoyed The Happytime Murders, it definitely deserves a spot on this list. There’s no way it will even make its budget back at this point.
My mistake. Either BOM glitched or I misread something.
Based on the trailer & poster it was difficult to tell whether Happytime Murders is a police procedural, a comedy a thriller or a parody of one or more of these types of movies. This plus having dozens of other programs I can watch instead kept me away.
Operation Finale
Production Budget: $24 million Domestic $16,331,305 + nothing from rest of the World
Operation Finale is a netflix original in most countries
This site needs to be updated. There are some glaring omissions, such as The Predator, The Sisters Brothers, and Bad Times at the El Royale. (I would also pay attention to First Man and Goosebumps 2 over the next few weekends as they are both underperforming.) Mile 22 ended its run already and White Boy Rick is toast so they should have articles by now.
The Predator is estimated to have a $24M Domestic opening (and $54M Worldwide opening) on a production budget of $88M. With a C+ Cinemascore.
I think it’s gonna have a spot on this list, better keep a good eye on it.
I really hope it doesn’t. I really enjoyed that the main cast of characters were all people with mental disorders and that they were portrayed in a positive way. (They were the badasses of the movie, especially the kid who was on the autism spectrum. I appreciated that as someone on the spectrum as well.) The movie wasn’t amazing but it was very entertaining and I want people to support more positive representation for people with mental disorders in film.
Did we watch the same movie? Garbage, absolute garbage. Condescending towards just about everybody, and the dialogue/characters were atrocious. If it gets a sequel, I’ll be mad.
The only character that they were even remotely condescending towards was the guy with Tourettes. Also, we differing opinions. I didn’t think The Predator was amazing but it was pretty entertaining to me and I enjoyed the fact that the lore was expanded.
Alpha is showing a good sign at the China and Russia Box office. Seems like can pull off another $20 mn internationally and not prove a total bomb.
I hope it makes it. I like to see well-made independent films succeed.
It’s financed by Chinese billionaires, not exactly independent.
My bad. I meant “original” but clearly used the wrong word. I was thinking more along the lines of being independent from any other franchise or source material. Clearly I forgot what website I’m on. Nothing gets past you guys 🙂
I will agree it’s always good to see original films succeed. And now that you explain it, I understand what you meant.
There are updates on your Facebook page that aren’t listed on here. What gives?
Of course it updates right before I made this. Never mind.
God’s Not Dead 3: A Light In the Darkness bombed too: being up against I Can Only Imagine and Paul, Apostle of Christ did it no favors.
I think its safe to say The Spy Who Dumped Me is a bomb. It’s opened in all of its major markets, per IMDB, and has just broken 50 million on a 40 million dollar budget.
Kate McKinnon needs a better agent.
Kin is on track to becoming a failure.
Dylan, what movies can you see flopping in September and like with August, reasons why
There honestly isn’t too much in September that I see flopping. Most of what is in store for September looks like low to mid-budget fare. For starters, I think God Bless the Broken Road could flop. Sure, it has “God” in the title and it’s a Christian movie but even then, I haven’t even seen a SINGLE trailer for it. Peppermint could underperform under the weight of The Prradator. Likewise, I have seen no promotion for Hell Fest so I could see that flopping as well. Little Women may also go unnoticed due to a lack of interest from audiences but it honestly might not take much for it to make a profit.
The Predator seems like it might bomb because of all the shifts in release date and a generally negative vibe around the film in general, with rumors of reshot endings and incredibly dumb plotlines. May be a case of okay box office being outweighed by exhorbitant costs, like Geostorm and that Wolfman movie a few years back. White Boy Rick and Life Itself are going to live or die by reviews, and The House with A Clock In Its Walls might be too weird to get parents to bring their kids to it. Assassination Nation seems like it’s trying to build up hype for a mediocre movie by being edgy, so we’ll see if the target audience eats it up or it’ll do mediocre business for its price tag.
I actually think The House With a Clock in Its Walls will do just fine. It looks like a standard family film and it’s being heavily advertised. I could see The Predator flopping, especially if The Nun overperforms but it is one of the biggest movies playing in September.
“The Predator” is getting above average reviews from critics(63 percent Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes), but I’m still not sure how it’s going to do at the box office, despite Fox HEAVILY marketing the film and giving it a massive IMAX/Large Format release. “The House With A Clock In It’s Walls” will do just fine at the box office. Universal is heavily marketing the film, which is a good sign, it has two big names(Jack Black and Cate Blanchett)leading the film, and just like “The Predator”(but to a smaller extent), they are also giving it an IMAX release as well(with an IMAX 3D rerelease of “Thriller”(which is well known for being one of Michael Jackson’s famous songs, with an equally famous music video as well)attached to it(which was what caught my attention for the film).) We’ll see how they turn out overall at the box office.
Look like Global Road have been going to the dogs lately!!! It’s seems that every movie they released so far belongs to the dogs!!! First, Show Dogs bombed, now AXL got stunk!!! And, I’m hope their next film featured a dog!!!
The film distribution side of Global Road recently was seized by lenders, so this may be the end of Global Road.
The best way to describe it?
Global Road is exactly like The Weinstein Company, but the former only started business A YEAR AGO after IM Global and Open Road merged together. I wouldn’t be surprised if Global Road becomes bankrupt, just like The Weinstein Company. Shame.
Eh, Global Road hasn’t put out anything great yet. Hotel Artemis was the best movie they put out so far and that was just okay at best.
The only reason TWC went bankrupt is because Harvey’s escapades got out and it looked bad to be involved with him, so banks weren’t willing to lend any more money. Global Road just never had the funding they said they did.
Both The Happytime Murders and AXL respectively bombed at the box office BIG TIME.
it’s too early to call them bombs, come on guys!
It’s a real shame that Happytime Murders isn’t getting a lot of love. In one of the few times I disagree with the critics, I thought the movie was absolutely hilarious. I saw it with a large group of friends and we all had a blast! I was laughing so hard I was crying on more than one occasion. If you like raunchy comedies, I absolutely recommend the movie.
Well, it looks like Mile 22 might end up on here. It made a little under $14m in its opening weekend but the budget is $50m. I doubt it will have legs due to the poor reviews and competition.
I’ve seen Variety claim it’s $35 million, which would put it in a better place to succeed.
The Darkest Minds just posted the biggest third weekend theater drop ever. I think it’s safe to say it’s a flop – it’s just barely going to make back its budget through international gross.
I’m not surprised AT ALL by this. I knew that the film’s box office is getting WORSE and WORSE. It IS doing a little(and I REALLY MEAN LITTLE)better overseas, making 18 million dollars(the film is making 12 million dollars in the USA so far), making the film hit the 30 million dollar mark WORLDWIDE. I think it will be a MIRACLE if the film even makes it’s 34 million dollar budget back WORLDWIDE. But that means it’s still a HUGE FLOP and it will be on the regular list no matter what.
But no matter what, THAT is EXTREMELY embarrassing. Just breaking a record like that(for having the BIGGEST THIRD WEEKEND DROP OF ANY WIDE RELEASED MOVIE) is a major “Award Of Dishonor”. Add a MASSIVE 88 PERCENT DROP from it’s SECOND WEEKEND and a failure is ALREADY in store.
I don’t know if I should LAUGH at this result, or feel SORRY for it. I know that the film was awful, and why A LOT of people didn’t even bother to see the film in theaters, but there is STILL a chance the film can still make money from home media sales and cable rights. Fox will lose millions of dollars from the film, that’s for sure. Still, I’m NOT done dealing with “The Darkest Minds” JUST YET. There’s still LOTS to be talked about, especially at the end of the year.
Two more countries to open – Russia and Czech Republic. Neither major territories. It’s going to fail.
“The Darkest Minds” has hit the 35 million dollar mark, meaning that it has now made it’s 34 million dollar budget back. Worldwide. And from what I could tell, it has ended it’s theatrical run(at least in the USA). I think it will be on this list at any point!
Well, I wasn’t TOO far off. It hasn’t ended it’s theatrical run YET, but it lost more theaters, and played in only 172 theaters in it’s FOURTH WEEKEND. I still think that with how it’s going, this week(which is Labor Day weekend), it could end it’s theatrical run in the USA.
It’s NOW on the main list. Not surprised about that.
Got a Hot One for you!!! Kevin Spacey’s Billionaire Boys Club! Grossed 287 in their opening weekend! No, not 287 Grand-287 BUCK$ ($36 per theatre)!!!
This may be a somewhat small film, but I still think it’s deserves a mention and might even break a box office “record”. With a budget of $15 million, “Billionaire Boys Club” got a whopping $126 on Friday, mostly due to poor reviews and the poorly timed inclusion of Kevin Spacey. To put it in comparison, the worst opening of all time in the U.S, United Passions, made around $319 in its Friday box office. It has gotten around $1,478,436 in the foreign market, but it’s doubtful it won’t bomb in a spectacular fashion.
Hear it’s earned $287 bucks in their opening weekend At $36 a theatre)!!!
That’s what, 4 tickets sold all day long?
What about Christopher Robin?
It’s too early to call it a flop yet. It is getting decent legs in the U.S. and there are some other countries that haven’t received the movie yet.
It looks like a flop considering it’s in the 3rd week and there is no way it’s going to have 140M worldwide to cover its 70M investment.
So this may be a bit to early, but what movies do you think will bomb at 2019 from month to month?
Well, it is super early but just going off of titles, release dates, actors, plot descriptions, and what I imagine the budgets are, here are my totally off the wall predictions:
January: Ad Astra; Miss Bala
February: Jacob’s Ladder; Three Seconds; The Prodigy
March: Chaos Walking; The Kid Who Would Be King; Where’d You Go Bernadette
April: After; Missing Link
May: The Rosie Project; Uglydolls; The Sun is Also a Star
June: Gambit; Shaft; Ford v. Ferrari
July: Once Upon a Time in Hollywood
August: Dora the Explorer; Artemis Fowl; Playmobil
September: Charlie’s Angels
October: Gemini Man; Are You Afraid of the Dark?; The Goldfinch
November: Margie Claus
December: Masters of the Universe
Sonic the movie
I could actually see Sonic doing well at the box office.
I think that the “Sonic” movie does have a chance to do well at the box office. Even with all of the weird things I saw from the production photos.
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood’s Tarantino and stars, which both appeal to US and international audiences, and while it might not be a huge hit for Sony, it’ll probably at least justify its own existence. Missing Link will definitely bomb because Laika is just Nike’s founder’s son’s pet project and it really doesn’t need to make money for them to make more films.
I hope Missing Link does well. I’m a huge fan of Laika’s films.
No offense, but I thought some of these movies would pull in the kids crowd and become decent hits. But, The Kid Who Would Be King comes out the same weekend as How To Train Your Dragon 3, for Missing Link, stop motion films don’t do well ( remember Kubo And The Two Strings and Early Man?) Even if Uglydolls comes out the same Weekend as Detective Pikachu and a week after Avengers, that could pull in the Trolls crowd. Dora could pull in the little kids crowd, Artemis Fowl will be next year’s A Wrinkle In Time ( dispite being Disney), as for Playmobil, ORF doesn’t have the best track record, don ‘t know about AYAOTD. This year, House With A Clock In It’s Walls won’t flop. Siabara.
I’m secretly hoping that Dora the Explorer is a dumb action movie since Michael Bay is making it. Just imagine, Sniper instead of Swiper. “Sniper, no sniping!” xD
if you watch Collegehumor videos, you’ve already seen the trailer for the new Dora movie.
I was SURPRISED when I found out that a “Dora the Explorer” movie was actually being MADE(let alone coming out NEXT YEAR). I watched a lot of “Dora” when I was very little. I would love to see how it does at the box office. I’m not SUPER excited(especially since I’m not a huge fan of “Dora”(but then again, I outgrew Nick Jr.)for the movie, but I AM curious.
Ford Vs. Ferrari might hook the older crowd with the history and the younger ones with the stars. Hope it’s good from all the talent involved.
Dog Days budget: 10 million break even: 20 million Box Office: 3.6 million overseas: unknown
Here’s hoping ‘Mile 22’ ends up here. I though ‘AXL’ was a joke when I first saw a commercial for it.
Mile 22’s probably in the $30 million range and will make money due to presales and not being priced too highly. Anything higher than $35 million, and it may not succeed. I’m guessing you just hate Mark Wahlberg.
I think Mile 22 will do fine. A.X.L. is going to sink like a rock though.
Looks like A.X.L.’s distributor, Global Road, is sinking like a rock too. Apparently, they’re struggling to get funding.
I haven’t really cared for their movies so far. Midnight Sun was a typical romance movie, Hotel Artemis was decent but kinda forgettable, and Show Dogs was the worst movie I’ve seen this year so far.
“A.X.L” reminds me of both “Max Steel”(it helps that Global Road distributed that film(back when they were still Open Road)) and “Monster Trucks”. I can definitely see it becoming a flop at the box office. The trailer looks like a joke.
“A.X.L.” is all READY to become a box office flop. It has little big name stars, an unknown budget(I can see around 30-40 million dollars being spent for the film), and it wasn’t even screened for critics. Big loss right there.
Alpha seems to be on track for this. Less than $10 million opening and looks like it cost a whole lot more than that. China’s box office is going to have to be on fire for Alpha to avoid being a flop.
The problem is that the budget for Alpha is unknown for now. I do feel like the budget is really high. I plan on seeing it in 3D because I hear that it’s one of the few movies in years that is actually worth shelling out 3D for.
“Alpha” has an 80 million dollar budget. It’s not very expensive, but it’s still FAR from cheap. I’m surprised that it ACTUALLY got decent reviews from critics. Sony just kept MOVING THE RELEASE DATE OVER AND OVER until they settled for the August dumping ground. No wonder it’s going to be a HUGE flop.
I gotta say, having seen the movie, Sony really dropped the ball on the marketing. They made it look like a cheesy Ice Age movie you would catch on Freeform. In reality, it’s an epic survival movie (it’s mostly subtitled which was refreshing for a prehistoric movie) that is hands down one of the most gorgeous movies of the year. The trailers don’t do it justice at all. It is worth IMAX or 3D. It really caught me off guard how compelling the movie really is. It is so sad that this is going to be overlooked hard due to Crazy Rich Asians (which is also really good) and Mile 22 (a scattershot mess of an action movie) coming out the same weekend.
Tristan, you should watch Alpha to get that bland taste of The Darkest Minds out of your mouth.
You can blame the terrible box office results on the ABYSMAL marketing campaign Sony gave the movie. They treated it like a generic “historic” drama AND a nature documentary. The favorable reviews the film got would have made me change my mind, but… …I’ll just leave it as is. I think the MCU 10th anniversary IMAX compilation(I’m seeing(at least in IMAX) “Guardians of the Galaxy”, “Thor: Ragnarok”, and “Black Panther”(the latter film I saw earlier this year)) will wash the bad taste of “The Darkest Minds” out of my movie going mouth.
I may have avoided it in theaters, but I MIGHT check out “Alpha” at some point. Probably when it comes out on home media. I’m ACTUALLY sad that it flopped, despite getting fairly strong reviews from critics. But that might be because of, like I said, the ABYSMAL marketing campaign Sony gave it. I heard that ALL of the film was subtitled(which is RARE for a big film made in the USA), and the film looks STUNNING and is ACTUALLY WORTH SEEING IN 3D. In fact, that film MAY have taken the bad taste “The Darkest Minds” gave in my mouth, IF I ACTUALLY SAW IT. But nope. Both “The Darkest Minds” and “Alpha” ended up being box office flops.
If you thought the regular ads were bad, the spotify ads have been atrocious. Makes it sound like a film for five year olds, as it’s supposed to be “the most heartwarming film of the summer” or some garbage like that. Was going to watch it anyways, but the reviews ensured I’ll get around to it, hopefully before it leaves theaters completely.
Yeah, it’s not exactly a movie for five year olds. In fact, it reminds me of The Revenant except it’s during the Ice Age, not as graphic, and way shorter. If you do check it out (and I totally recommend that you do), make sure to watch it in 3D or IMAX. It’s worth every penny and looks absolutely gorgeous.
Also, for the record, “the most heartwarming movie of the summer” for me was probably Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again of all things. I was not expecting it to be as good as it was considering I didn’t care for the first one.
How about Teen Titans Go! To the Movies??? They supposed to fuck Tom Cruise, instead they fucked themselves!!!
it made more than 20 million$ worldwide, so it already broke even.
It’s made more than three times its budget worldwide so far. I wouldn’t call that a flop.
Superfly needs a page $20.1 million on a $16 million budget
Everyone said meg would flop it didn’t
It made 44 million dollars on it’s opening weekend in the USA alone. And nearly everyone said that the film was going to make less than HALF of that(20 million dollars) and flop. FLOP NO MORE IT IS, WARNER BROS.!
I just got back from seeing “The Meg”. It’s NOTHING amazing, but it is silly fun. I’m actually glad it was able to defy expectations with it’s solid 45 million dollar opening weekend in the USA(the previous numbers were before the actual numbers came.). Now I have to wait a few more hours… …because I’m FINALLY going to see “The Darkest Minds”. And my few words? Oh no… …give me hope… And I will come back once the film is finished. I will type up my thoughts on it.
@ Tristan Michaels you are probably going to be the only person in the theater for The Darkest Minds. XD.
I’m embarrassed to admit, I WASN’T the only person in the theater for “The Darkest Minds”. The theater that I was in(which was very small) was actually packed! It was almost sold out! Almost ALL of the people in the theater were around my age(15 to 16 years old)! And I actually heard a round of APPLAUSE at the VERY end of the movie(right when the credits started)! I was SURPRISED that they were actually able to ENJOY meaningless films like this! I heard people laughing(and even sad crying) while I was BORED OUT OF MY MIND(no pun intended.)! Why? The film already does an EXCELLENT job of pandering to it’s teenage target audience, but I was surprised that it MORE THAN DID IT’S JOB! It’s unbelievable! I think this film should be on the main list at any point!
If your theater was packed, then yours is the exception. Because it lost 2,679 theaters last week.
I’m ALMOST certain that the theater I saw “The Darkest Minds” in was the exception. I saw that film on a Discount Day(which was on a Tuesday), so I was THANKFUL that I didn’t waste my time seeing the film in full price(but then again, I also saw “The Emoji Movie” ON A DISCOUNT DAY. HISTORY REPEATS!(at least that film was successful despite getting abysmal reviews from well, pretty much EVERYONE who saw it(who wasn’t their family target audience).)And in fact, everyone who was in theater saw it with Discount Day. If I saw the film on a normal day(in FULL PRICE, NO LESS!), the theater would have been TOTALLY EMPTY. I knew that it lost almost of it’s theaters and is now playing in almost 450 empty theaters. I think that this week, the film will PROBABLY end it’s theatrical run. That’s just my guess, though. Who knows? It could be playing for a little longer before FINALLY ending it’s theatrical run.
Christopher Robin and Slender Man might end up here.
Christopher Robin needs 150 million $ to break even ( according to Tristan Micheals it’s 210). Slenderman’s budget is 28 million $ so you might be right.
“Slender Man” might overperform with 11-12 million dollars on it’s opening weekend(which isn’t TOO bad, since it cost almost 30 million dollars to make), but it got awful reviews from critics and Sony kept the film away for a few months because of “disagreements”, and didn’t go back to marketing the film until a MONTH ago.(Doesn’t help that I got constant ads for both this film and “The Darkest Minds” on YouTube. It’s clear that both Sony and Fox respectively knew that both films would be terrible.). An awful D- CinemaScore is not helping matter for this film either. The word is still out on “Christopher Robin”. It has a nearly 50 percent drop with around 12 million dollars in the USA. There is still a high chance for the film to hit the 80(or possibly 90 to 100 million if it’s lucky) million dollar mark in the USA, but if the overseas box office for this film continue to be as non existent as they already are, sorry to say, it could be on this list.
Christopher Robin may need a page on here.
It did alright on it’s opening weekend in the USA(25 million dollars, which for a film that had a moderate budget(75 million dollars), is nothing amazing, but not too bad either), but it’s overseas results(so far) are VERY limited, which just 5 million dollars. If it stumbles in the USA, or has weak overseas box office results, it could be on the list. But hey, the film was cute! And Disney has the money they made from “Black Panther”, “Avengers: Infinity War”, “Incredibles 2”, and “Ant-Man and The Wasp” to help fix things up. Speaking of which, CONGRATUATIONS “Black Panther” FOR FINALLY HITTING THE 700 MILLION DOLLAR MARK IN THE USA AND “Incredibles 2” FOR HITTING THE BILLION DOLLAR MARK WORLDWIDE!
Hey Tristan, I realized it needs at least 150 million $ worldwide to double it’s budget. Fun fact, it made the same amount as The Emoji Movie on it’s OW.
It’s going to need MORE than that to break even. Disney spent a decent amount of money(from what I can tell) to market the film(they probably spent around 50 to 60 million do so, in addition to the 75 million dollars it cost to make), and they need the marketing costs back as well for the film to make a profit and make even. I will say that 210 million dollars is a better break even point. But considering that overseas box office results for the film are non existent, it’s going to need A LOT of luck to do so.
I think it will need a little more than 150 million dollars to break even. In addition to the 75 million dollars Disney spent to make the film, they spent a decent amount of money(from what I could tell)(around 50 to 60 million dollars) to market the film as well. I think that 210 million dollars will be a better break even point for this film. But with non existent overseas numbers so far, I’ll doubt it will make it.
Just wanted to report on a new bomb I found: Escape Plan 2: Hades. The film had a $20M budget, but only made $14,208,277 in it’s full worldwide run. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_Plan_2:_Hades). I will say that it apparently didn’t have a domestic release ,or at least any tracking of how much it made if it did have a release so I don’t know if that excludes, but I still wanted to let you know.
The Spy Who Dumped Me needs a page. it made 12 million $ on a 40 million $ budget. Sadly possibly Christopher Robin too due to making less than the 30-29 million $ and it has a 75 million $ budget. so, siabara.
It may be a bit too early, but I think The Darkest Minds will be a box office bomb. With a $34M budget, it is estimated to gross just $6M in it’s opening weekend.With it’s terrible reviews, I doubt it’ll leg out to gain enough money and there doesn’t seem to be any release worldwide so it should have a good shot on making this list. Just a heads up. Keep up the good work!
It’s on the pending list. It did terrible indeed. Even with a production cost of only 34 million dollars, it still did abysmal on it’s opening weekend, with 5 million dollars from the USA and 4 million dollars overseas, making a total of 9 million dollars worldwide. It will be impossible to make it’s limited budget back in the USA and I think the film will do even WORSE overseas. Another day, another YA franchise non starter.
I saw the film two days ago. And how was it?
https://giphy.com/gifs/disneypixar-disney-pixar-11tTNkNy1SdXGg
That GIF of Anger from “Inside Out” was how the film was.
IT’S AWFUL.
I have no idea what A.X.L.’s budget is but I feel pretty confident that it will have a future spot on this list.
So far, not too many significant bombs have been piling up like it was in 2017.
I think most of the box office bombs are coming towards the end if the year. A lot of movies are releasing in October and don’t get me started on the crap ton of big budget movies releasing near Christmas. There’s no way they are all going to survive. But so far this year, the box office has been pretty decent so far. Solo was probably the biggest surprise in how much it underperformed but it released at a really bad time, facing heavy direct competition and people who were still salty about The Last Jedi (which came out only 5 months before Solo).
Skyscraper has now got past it’s break even point of 250 million $, so NO WAY it’s ending up in here now.
This month, I could see The Darkest Minds, The Meg, Alpha, A.X.L., and Kin all flopping. The only one with a known budget right now is The Meg ($150 million) and that could be saved by China. The Darkest Minds will be crushed by the other action movies out right now, Alpha has been pushed back multiple times by Sony, A.X.L. just looks like a lower budget version of Monster Trucks but with a robot dog, and Kin hasn’t been gaining a whole lot of buzz.
Happytime Murders might be too niche to make money too. Sure, it has Melissa Mccarthy, but it seems like a weird place to go with muppets.
He thinks it’ll pull in the Sausage Party crowd and become a decent hit actually.
It could just be me but I know quite a bit of people who know what Happytime Murders is and I am going to see it with a whole group of people when it comes out. I don’t think it will make as much as Sausage Party but I do think it will be a decent hit. Plenty of people like out of the box ideas.
“The Meg” is continuing to do well at the box office. “The Darkest Minds” already became a MAJOR flop for Fox, and based on how it’s doing, I won’t see it doing better anytime soon(though Fox still might make money from the film if it has good home media sales). “Alpha” is already flopping at the box office, making around 10 million dollars in it’s opening weekend(on a film that cost around 50-80 million dollars to make). I can see both “A.X.L” and “Kin” becoming major box office flops.
“The Darkest Minds” has a 34 million dollar budget, which is a very small amount of money for a YA adaptation and a effects heavy film(even the last two “Maze Runner” films cost over 60 million dollars to make), but it will only make around 8 million dollars in it’s domestic opening weekend, and even with it’s limited budget, it’s still not a good start. Another thing I’m worried about is that both “The Darkest Minds” AND especially “Christopher Robin”(which I’m seeing tomorrow) don’t have their Rotten Tomatoes scores yet, AND it’s only one more DAY before they come out. I know that Disney is trying their best with the latter film(they have been heavily marketing it), and believe it or not, one of their most critically and successful films, “Star Wars: The Force Awakens”, WASN’T EVEN SCREENED FOR CRITICS UNTIL IT WAS RELEASED(but that was to avoid spoilers and NOT the quality of the actual film)! But still, I’m worried.
“Christopher Robin” finally got it’s Rotten Tomatoes score(ONLY HOURS BEFORE IT CAME OUT!). 62 percent Fresh. It’s nowhere near the level the “Paddington” films were on Rotten Tomatoes(98 percent and 100 PERCENT Certified Fresh!), but it’s passible enough. I heard that it is SLOW PACED, but it is innocent and cute natured. I’m going to check it out for myself in a few hours. By the way, “The Darkest Minds” had gotten it’s Rotten Tomatoes score a while ago, and IT IS NOT GOOD. 14 PERCENT ROTTEN. But then again, it helps that I wasn’t even that interested in that film anyway. It looked like a lesser combination of the “X-Men” series(even more so since Fox distributed both films) and “The Hunger Games”. Aside from “Ready Player One”(yes, that was a YA adaptation, and even though the book it was based off was targeted to(mostly) pop culture fans, it was also targeted to young adults as well.)(and that film did well because… …well, it was from Spielberg! And it did MASSIVE in China as well!), YA adaptations(since the last “Harry Potter” and “The Hunger Games” films) are struggling, both with the critics and box office, and I can definitely see “The Darkest Minds” being a flop as a result. Aside from “Christopher Robin”(“Eighth Grade” doesn’t count because it was in limited release for a few weeks before it expanded to wide release this week), all of the other films that came out this week were Rotten on Rotten Tomatoes. A lackluster week indeed.
I just came back from seeing “The Darkest Minds”. And I what did I think of it?
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Yes. The film is THAT BAD.
Sorry. I meant
Sorry. I meant “What did I think of it?”
Netflix bought Mowgli from WB, which means they thought it was probably going to be a flop. Got saved from being on here.
Dont worry. The Meg will make up for it
Depends on whether China eats it up.
I’m still waiting for Pacific Rim Uprising to be on here
I don’t think Teen Titans Go To The Movies will flop is has 100% on RT and it has a low budget
The 100% it doesn’t deserve the last Jedi had good reviews but nobody liked it same fate will be with this movie
You can’t judge a movie you haven’t watched. I myself think that the show the movie is based off of is garbage. That being said, the writing for the movie looks like it’s going to be much better. The last trailer they put out I found very funny. Also, with the budget being low, it will make a profit easily.
Rotten tomatoes is a measure of how many people liked it, not how much. Most of those last Jedi reviews were just okay with it, probably the same for teen titans
I wish more people understood how RT ratings worked. You summed it up well. Looking at the average ratings are probably more accurate than the percentage.
So wouldn’t Annihilation count for this list?
Depends on how good of a deal they got for Netflix. It seems like it at least broke even. It was one of the few movies I liked in a pretty weak year so far, shame it didn’t do better.
I’ll be honest. I liked Ex Machina way more than Annihilation. I thought it was merely okay.
Skyscraper is a flop as it grosses little more of $60 million in its opening
What about waiting for a few days?
China could bail it out
It will probably rally overseas.
Skyscraper is a flop it projected to gross $24 million on a 130 mil budget
Skyscraper falls at $9 million
I don’t know if my message sent
Nevermind, I see it.
Here is a list of movies I’ve found that I believe to be box office bombs:
Higher Power by Matthew Santoro
Budget: Supposedly $500K (http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/higher-power-the-vfx-rich-sci-fi-thriller-that-was-made-on-a-500000-budget)
Box Office: Domestic = $528, Foreign = ???
Marrowbone by Sergio G. Sánchez
Budget: €8 million (est. $9.9 million)
Box Office: Domestic = $1,377, Foreign = €9,549,990 ($11,164,683)
Kickboxer Retaliation by Dimitri Logothetis
Budget: $13 million
Box Office: Domestic = $4,537, Foreign = $39,356 (https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Kickboxer-Retaliation#tab=summary)
Woman Walks Ahead by Susanna White (Still in Theaters)
Budget: $5 million
Box Office: Domestic = $6,863, Foreign = ???
Blood Feast by Marcel Walz
Budget: $1.2 million
Box Office: Domestic = $8,708, Foreign = None
The Assasin’s Code by David A. Armstrong
Budget: $1.8 million
Box Office: Domestic = $11,218, Foreign = ???
Freak Show by Trudie Styler
Budget: $2 million
Box Office: Domestic: $18,216, Foreign: $961
The House of Tomorrow by Peter Livolsi
Budget: $8.6 million
Box Office: $6.9 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_of_Tomorrow_(2017_film))
How To Talk To Girls At Parties by John Cameron Mitchell
Budget: $3.8 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Talk_to_Girls_at_Parties_(film))
Box Office: Domestic = $84,809, Foreign = $223,268 (https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/How-to-Talk-to-Girls-at-Parties#tab=summary)
Goldstone by Ivan Sen
Budget: $2 million
Box Office: Domestic = $86,402, Foreign = $583,515 (I got the Domestic box office from Box Office Mojo and I got the foreign box office from The Numbers)
Reign of Judges: Title of Liberty – Concept Short by Darin Southam (Still in Theaters)
Budget: $120,000
Box Office: Domestic = $93,224, Foreign = $5,184
Golden Slumber by Noh Dong-seok
Budget: $12.75 million (or ₩14,222,369,366 in South Korea) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Slumber#Box_office)
Box Office: Domestic: $94,450, Foreign = $10,733,326 (or ₩11,972,809,953)
Revenge by Coralie Fargeat
Budget: $2.9 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenge_(2017_film))
Box Office: Domestic = $102,091, Foreign = $228,490
The Guardians (Les Gardiennes) by Xavier Beauvois
Budget: $10.5 million (or €8.9 million) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guardians_(2017_film))
Box Office: Domestic = $137,054, Foreign = $3,944,048 (or €3,358,297) (https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Gardiennes-Les-(France)#tab=summary)
The Young Karl Marx by Raoul Peck
Budget: $11.2 million (or €9.5 million) (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1699518/)
Box Office: Domestic = $125,659, Foreign = $4,226,849 ( or €3,599,097) (https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Jeune-Karl-Marx-Le-(France)#tab=summary)
Double Lover (L’Amant Double) by François Ozon
Budget: $8.3 million (or €7.1 million)
Box Office: Domestic = $167,581, Foreign = $4,688,606 (or €3,992,277)
Zama by Lucrecia Martel
Budget: Supposedly $3.5 million (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/04/zama-movie-review-lucrecia-martel)
Box Office: Domestic = $194,441, Foreign = $406,741
Borg vs McEnroe by Janus Metz Pedersen
Budget: $7.5 million (or 65 million SEK)
Box Office: Domestic = $231,346, Foreign = $3,014,135 (or 26,300,733 SEK)
But Deliver Us from Evil by Joshua Coates
Budget: $1 million
Box Office: Domestic = $285,169, Foreign = No Release
Flower by Max Winkler
Budget: $500K (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_(film))
Box Office: Domestic = $328,188, Foreign = $51,983 (https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Flower-(2017)#tab=summary)
Bag of Marbles (Un Sac De Billes) by Christian Duguay
Budget: $21.4 million (or €18,205.839)
Box Office: Domestic = $393,070, Foreign = $10,045,370 (or €8,545,999) (http://www.jpbox-office.com/fichfilm.php?id=16594)
Condorito: La Pelicula by Alex Orrelle
Budget: $8.3 million
Box Office: Domestic = $447,719, Foreign = $7,983,475
The Insult (L’insulte) by Ziad Doueiri
Budget: $3 million (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7048622/)
Box Office: Domestic = $1,001,305, Foreign = $1,878,414
Lean on Pete by Andrew Haigh
Budget: $8 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lean_on_Pete)
Box Office: Domestic = $1,163,056, Foreign = $1,087,674 (https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Lean-on-Pete-(UK)#tab=summary)
Thoroughbreds by Cory Finley
Budget: $5.4 million (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoroughbreds_(2017_film))
Box Office: Domestic = $2,830,775, Foreign = $71,585 (https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Thoroughbreds#tab=summary)
Disobedience by Sebastián Lelio (Still In Theaters)
Budget: $6 million
Box Office: Domestic = $3,467,378, Foreign = $1,814,821
Gotti by Kevin Connolly (Still In Theaters)
Budget: $10 million
Box Office: Domestic = $4,183,395, Foreign = ???
Hotel Artemis by Drew Pearce (Still In Theaters)
Budget: $15 million
Box office: Domestic = $6,656,011, Foreign = $1,393,586 (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=hotelartemis.htm)
Annihilation by Alex Garland
Budget: $40–55 million
Box Office: Domestic = $32,732,301, Foreign = $10,140,000
Pacific Rim: Uprising by Steven S. DeKnight (Still In Theaters)
Budget: $150-170 million (According to Deadline Hollywood, it needs $350M to break even) (https://deadline.com/2018/03/pacific-rim-uprising-black-panther-weekend-box-office-1202352184/)
Box Office: Domestic = $59,185,715, Foreign: $230,875,582
I would might also add Superfly which has a budget of $16 million and so far brought in $19 million at the box office, but I can’t confirm that.
(I also wanted to point out that a lot of these movie I listed were films that were either limited release in certain film festivals from 2017 or released in other countries in 2017. These films were then open in American theaters in 2018 so I don’t know if those count as 2017 bombs or 2018 bombs. The films that were released solely this year from this list were Higher Power, Kickboxer: Retaliation, The Assasin’s Code, Reign of Judges: Title of Liberty – Concept Short, Golden Slumber, Gotti, Hotel Artemis, Annihilation, and Pacific Rim: Uprising. Blood Feast and Goldstone were the only films on this list to have a limited release in 2016.)
I hope that this list is helpful to you and I apologize for any mistakes as I’m new to this. I think that you have done a great job with updating all the box office bombs for the past decade and I wish you good luck for finding any other films.
The guy who does these typically tends to focus on big releases, so the majority of your suggestions probably won’t get used
Thanks for your compliment Cutthroat Island. We are adding movies with budgets around or above $20 million and have been removing older posts with movies that have lower budgets. Thanks for your comment and glad you are enjoying the site!
Thank you Bomb Report! Sorry that most of the list doesn’t work with that rule, but still will continue to look for any that follow it. You do work hard and am glad that you have continued the hard work.
Wheres superfly $19 million on $16m budget
Sicario: Day of the Soldado might be in trouble if it doesn’t pick up the slack. It had a terrible 60%+ second weekend drop.
I think it was cuz they released it a week before Ant Man And The Wasp
It might be able to limp its way to the first film’s gross, but the word of mouth hasn’t been stellar. We may get a third one, since this series only exists on the whims of the daughter of FedEx’s founder, so she has millions to throw away on this.
I sure hope so. Sicario 2 is one of the best movies of the year in my opinion and I would be totally down for a third one. I think a lot of people were turned off with how depressing the movie is but it’s about the drug cartel so I don’t know what people were expecting.
Pacific Rim Uprising:
Estimated budget $150-$175 mil
Box office: $290.1 mil
Estimated break-even: $350 mil
Seems floppish to me
Agreed. Looks like it will have a spot on this list.
Does anybody think that either Skyscraper or The Equalizer 2 is going to flop? They come out just weeks before Mission: Impossible – Fallout, which I expect to be one of the biggest movies of the summer due to the track record of Mission: Impossible, Tom Cruise, and heavy advertising.
Haven’t heard of skyscraper til recently
Dylan W how do you think Alpha, The Happytime Murders, The House With A Clock In It’s Walls, Mowgli, and Welcome To Marwen will flop? They haven’t even revealed their budgets yet.
I’m not sure about the others but I don’t think that Happytime Murders will flop at all. I think it might pull in the Sausage Party crowd and become a decent hit actually.
i agree, even though “Muppets Most Wanted” was a flop. but “Sausage Party” was a hit with that crowd though. i think Alpha could flop though. i think Mowgli too since Disney already turned The Jungle Book story into live action and it has to compete with the Halloween remake which i think will be this year’s ‘It’. The House With A Clock In It’s Walls could do well with the target audience, but comes out a week before the animated “Smallfoot”. Welcome To Marwen has 2 compete with the 4 holiday movies (Timmy Sargent and Tristan Micheals said what they are), but with the director and the animation, it could be another Isle Of Dogs. You’ll find out soon enough.
Marwen is trying to go for that feel good movie aspect that middle America loves, but the actual story has enough weird detours that unless they are severely downplayed, it will be too controversial for that group. Not to mention that the animation style feels off along with the whole vibe of the film. Mowgli’s been delayed so much, it’s probably already being internally written off. Alpha’s been pushed around a lot too.
Skyscraper has The Rock, so it’ll do well overseas at least. Equalizer 2 has Denzel Washington, who’s one of the few real “movie stars” left, and the first one did well enough. Probably won’t justify a 3rd, but will probably make back its budget
Hotel Artemis?….where are yooouuu?..
Wheres pacific rim uprising
Add Pacific Rim Uprising
When will Solo be added?
It’s now added.
Its time to accept solos is a flop
It’s a shameful failure. Disney managed to screw up one of the few sure things in the world.
Working on it. Will be posted tomorrow.
Where is Hotel Artemis though??
Sad to see the FIRST EVER “Star Wars” BOX OFFICE FLOP. At least that’s not going to affect Disney(thanks to “Incredibles 2”, “Avengers: Infinity War”, and “Black Panther”)or the upcoming “Star Wars” film that’s coming out next year. It will still do HUGE business for Disney, even after the polarizing fan response “The Last Jedi” got and “Solo” flopping at the box office. If “Solo” was moved back and released in December, it would have been another story. It would have done very well at the box office and would have probably made a billion dollars. Releasing it in May(when “Avengers: Infinity War” and “Deadpool 2” were dominating the box office) was a VERY bad move. Even with the heavy competition with “Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Verse”, “Aquaman”, “Bumblebee”, and “Mary Poppins Returns”(which, ironically enough, is also from Disney)(those four are probably the only films that will do well on the 2018 holiday season). The film was also fairly well received by critics, so… how it flopped… …I could imagine… …people just weren’t interested? I don’t know.
I have to disagree with some of your points. Long term getting Star Wars out of December is the right move for Disney even if it’s not best for Star Wars. Why? Because Disney has TONS of four quadrant family friendly IPs that will play spectacularly during the holiday season, like for example Mary Poppins which you mention. There are even better examples. How much money could Beauty and the Beast have gotten if it came out in the holiday frame? Unfortunately Jedi was in the way and so it was never an option. Disney understands that their overall slate is better off with Star Wars in the summer with the holiday frame left open for the type of big family friendly entertainment that Disney does so well.
Lots of fans were calling for boycotts of the movie
Well, I both sort of agree and disagree with those points you mentioned. For the “four quadrant family friendly IPs” you mentioned, there aren’t REALLY many of those. They’re just holdovers from November(like “Frozen”, “Moana”, or “Coco”), and Disney focuses mostly on “Star Wars” for December. Yes, I will agree that these IPs do have SPECTACULAR box office results, and like you said, I do have bets that “Mary Poppins Returns” will do VERY well over the holiday season. I just had different thoughts, but I do get some of your thoughts. Still, I’m glad that Disney has a lot of HUGE, money making IPs under their company.
Better look out for John Travolta’s Gotti, which so far is getting a BIG FAT ZERO rating on Rotten Tomatoes!!! Too much fiction and hardly any facts!!!
Well, Hotel Artemis looks like it’s going to bomb. It’s only expected to pull in $3-3.5 million in its opening weekend off a $15 million budget.
I expect ‘Ocean’s 8’ will end up here, too.
If it opens at 20-30 million oceans has a budget of 70 million so it will be hard for it to outright bomb unlike solo
Ocean’s 8 did fine, it’s Hotel Artemis that really needs to worry.
Where’s Chappaquiddick on this list? It did better than it was projected to but it still couldn’t even top its $34 million production cost.
Chappaquiddick did not cost $34M. It’s an inexpensive indie. Here’s how we got to that $34M number — Variety had an article (https://variety.com/2018/film/box-office/chappaquiddick-box-office-1202742903/) about Chappaquiddick before it opened and in that article another political drama Detroit was mentioned. Variety stated that the budget to Detroit was $34M. Google meta-descriptions picked up the $34M budget from the variety article and assigned it to Chappaquiddick for search results. Then The Boston Globe wrote some brief article and cited the $34M budget. Then someone added the $34M budget to the Chappaquiddick wikipedia page and cited The Boston Globe and now its circulating that the budget is $34M.
Solo is a flop it’s confirmed by disney
I never thought I would see the day when a Star Wars movie would make an appearance on Bomb Report
Jennifer Lawrence’s “Red Sparrow” deserves to be on this list.
The foreign box office saved it from bombing.
Update solo made 148 ww on its first weekend its underperforming in every country inc china
Solo is the worst performing star wars movie ever it is projected to have only a 105m opening on a 250m budget with 500m needed to break even and its underproming outside of america with record low in china and japan and noone watching it in England it is almost certain to bomb just look out for the sales
Needs a lot more than $500 million to break even. Budget was $300m. Total cost is usually twice that to include marketing, so $600m. Studios only get half of box office receipts in US and 25% abroad. If we go with a typically even split of domestic and foreign then the break even point would be $1.6 BILLION. (800m * .5 + 800m * .25) = 600m. And that’s with zero profit.
It opened with 146 million thats worldwide so its toast
That was the consequence of releasing the film FIVE MONTHS after “The Last Jedi”. “Solo” will be the “Justice League” of 2018 for sure. Too bad, since I thought it was good(even if it is the weakest “Star Wars” film from Disney so far.). At least Disney has the HUGE box office receipts of “Avengers: Infinity War” and “Black Panther” to cover up ANY of “Solo” ‘s potential losses. And Disney also has “Incredibles 2” coming out in a few weeks, and that film will be a HUGE hit at the box office(and with the critics, too! It’s also from Pixar, after all!). I’m glad Disney is still doing fine. Even if “Solo” made less than their 150 million dollar 4 day prediction.
Where’s show dogs I feel pretty and pacific rim uprising
I Feel Pretty didn’t flop at all and Pacific Rim came just under its break even point.
Pacific Rim Uprising & Tomb Raider
Tomb Raider apparently needed $275 million to break even. Its worldwide gross so far is $273 Million, and it’s coming to Digital formats and Blu-Ray/DVD in a week or two; so it’s may squeak in just enough to break even or to make a small profit.
I wouldn’t blame you for considering it a BO disappointment, though.
Look like Show Dogs isn’t the only Big Loser to competed against Deadpool 2. How about Jim Carrey’s Dark Crime, which got a BIG FAT ZERO rating on Rotten Tomatoes (As I write this one)!!!
I think there’s a possibility of solo flopping as fans don’t want to see it after the last Jedi
So, Show Dogs is shaping up to be a flop. It’s a shame I can’t find info on the budget. The attempt at counterprogramming is gonna flop hard.
Me too. That film(“Show Dogs”) looks absolutely awful. “Avengers: Infinity War”(despite it’s SERIOUS subject matter) will take always a lot of that film’s audience for sure(of course, “Deadpool 2”, like it’s predecessor, is ABSOLUTELY, POSTIVELY, NOT FOR CHILDREN!(but it will be a huge hit at the box office, and it has already gotten strong reviews(87 percent Certified Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes) from critics as well.(Of course, I’m only 15 years old, so I can’t see it yet!).
To say nothing of the fact that it’s a talking animal movie in the year 2018.
It’s a leftover from the previous owners of the company. Being dumped so that they can move on to their other films, like Hotel Artemis.
And the film(“Show Dogs”) had an abysmal 6 million dollar opening weekend and has the 13th WORST opening weekend for a film playing in over 3,000 theaters. Even “Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”(which is 24th on the worst opening weekend for a film playing in over 3,000 theaters, just one spot down 25th)(which came out EXACTLY a year ago) was able to do better(but only SLIGHTLY) than this film(7 million dollars) on it’s opening weekend. Overseas numbers also look extremely horrendous as well(almost 700 THOUSAND dollars!). So, looks like it has a chance on this list?
AND ALL RIGHT! “Show Dogs” is now on the pending list! It could be on the main list at any point!
And for some odd reason, they took “Show Dogs” off the pending list. I know that Wikipedia says that the budget was 5.5 million dollars, but it turns out that it was only for FILMING and LOCATION costs, and NOT for the entire film. There’s still no idea what the real budget was, since the article that says that 5.5 million dollars were spent for filming(see https://businesswales.gov.wales/walesscreen/news/big-budget-us-comedy-show-dogs-spent-£47m-filming-wales-–-hollywood-producer-keen-return) called “Show Dogs” a “big budget” film. So what was the real budget? 20 million dollars? 30 million dollars? Maybe even 70 million dollars? I have no clue.
The 15:17 to Paris?I Feel Pretty?
With Deadpool 2 coming next week, I feel like either Book Club or Show Dogs is going to bomb, possibly even both of them. I think that Show Dogs is more likely but I have seen it more heavily advertised than Book Club so who knows.
Book Club seems to have been not that expensive, so probably will appeal to its audience and break even.
Can we just bite the bullet and put Ready Player One on this list already? It cost $175 million production budget plus $150 million marketing expense. But it was overshadowed and outgrossed in the US by a low budget horror film, A Quiet Place. A Quiet Place earned more money almost every single day, including opening weekend, than Ready Player One did. RPO’s biggest success was in China but that only lasted a couple of weeks before local films started stealing audiences away. Though it’s above $500 million total worldwide, it’s still not enough to cover the production+marketing cost once ticket sales revenue is split between the studio and the cinemas.
The film already went past it’s break even point of $440 million
The film(“Ready Player One”) has made almost 575 million dollars worldwide so far, WELL over it’s break even point of 440 million dollars(even if it had to compete with “A Quiet Place”, and(of course) “Avengers: Infinity War”.) No WAY it will be on this list for sure.
Traffik only cost $4 million to make so it’s not a huge loss. I saw it myself and I personally thought it was better than what the critics led on.
Yo is Avengers: Infinity War gonna be on here?
Two Words. ABSOLUTELY NOT! It broke the record for the BIGGEST DOMESTIC OPENING WEEKEND OF ANY MOVIE IN BOTH THE USA(257 million dollars(in the USA) AND WORLDWIDE(630 million dollars), AND IT’S MAKING MORE AND MORE AND WILL HIT THE BILLION DOLLAR MARK ANY TIME IT GETS! HOORAY FOR DISNEY!
I am confident that Dibba was joking
I think Pacific Rim: Uprising can be called a flop now, guys. It only made $286 Million worldwide so far, and it apparently needed at least $350 Million to break even. it’s pretty much dead in its biggest markets (USA and China), and it’s opened in most of its territories by now (according to IMDB’s release schedule).
Heck, Universal just recently announced the dates for the Digital HD and Blu-Ray releases, so it’s probably gonna be leaving theaters really soon.
is Red Sparrow going to be here?
So far, I don’t think it might be the case.
May we mourn now the loss of Paula Patton’s movie career, as Traffik is DOA!!!
Its good that rampage isnt bombing in ww box office but pacific rim 2 is another story
It’s a shame that Sgt. Stubby: An American Hero will end up on this list. It’s an adorable animated movie based on the true story of a dog who became a sergeant in WWI. It’s made only $1.3 million with a $25 million budget. Despite receiving a wide release (about 1,600 theaters), I never once saw an ad for it on TV.
Working on this one, it’s toast.
Y’know, I forgot that Sgt. Stubby was even coming out around the same time as Rampage.
And even competing against the wide release of Isle of Dogs for animated movies about dogs!!!
I saw Isle of Dogs the day after I saw Sgt. Stubby and I loved both of them but I liked Isle of Dogs more. I’d recommend both of them. Sgt. Stubby is about a dog that actually became a sergeant in World War I.
I’ve never even heard of this
At this point, you might as well wait for it to show up in Redbox or Netflix. It’s a nice little animated movie about a dog that actually became a sergeant in World War I.
Sgt. Stubby is a wonderful movie. It deserved better than the low box office numbers it has received.
And now I have NO idea when it’s even going to get a HOME MEDIA release. Most of the films that came out in Spring(“Rampage”, “Tomb Raider”, “Pacific Rim: Uprising”, “A Wrinkle In Time”, “Sherlock Gnomes”, “Ready Player One”, and a several others) have already come out on home media, and some other films(“Avengers: Infinity War”) are going to be released on home media VERY(and I mean VERY) soon. Even “Spark” got a home media release(a VERY hard to find home media release at that. Universal’s home media division was COMPLETELY focusing on “The Fate Of The Furious” at the time, and just like how Open Road dumped the film into a limited(365 theaters and never expanding) release, Universal just dumped the film’s home media release onto several markets(I guess) to a several store markets(I only recall SEEING the film on Blu-Ray at a local Wal-Mart at one point, and the DVD at a used book store)with no fanfare or promotion. “Sgt. Stubby” was LUCKY enough to get a wide release, let alone a THOUSAND theater release. But thanks to the film NOT even getting a home media release, it’s safe to say, the film could enter “Song of the South” and the original, unaltered “Star Wars” trilogy territory. People might not even know the film even EXISTED at this point. Shame.
The film is FINALLY going to get a home media release. In NOVEMBER!(see https://funacademystudios.com/product/sgt-stubby-bluray/) All of the films it competed with at the box office(“A Quiet Place”, “Rampage”, “Ready Player One”, “Avengers: Infinity War”, the wide release of “Isle Of Dogs”(which is funny, since both films were animated and were ABOUT dogs) and several others) have been released on home media for almost a while(a several months). And from what I can tell, it’s ONLY going to be released on the distributor’s(Fun Academy’s) website. Even “Spark”, despite getting(from what I could tell) a limited home media release, it still got released in stores, and was released on home media for a good three month theater to home media window(July, to be exact), despite the film ending it’s theatrical run MONTHS beforehand. This film, on the other hand? It will be released on home media 7 MONTHS after it’s theatrical release, and by then, everyone(even those who ACTUALLY saw it during it’s theatrical run) will forget about it. For shame, film, for shame.
I’m not surprised that A Wrinkle in Time is on this list. So far, as of April 15, I’m not entirely sure if Red Sparrow will be qualify on the list just yet.
What about chipaquaddick
According to the owner of the studio that released it, it’ll be profitable. Others are skeptical though, so who knows.
Pacific rims bad week 2 is concerning it depends on how much it declines on 3rd week and its budget I think releasing it a week before player one caused problems
Ok so it might break even at this point
I thought the break-even point was at $350 Million? It’s only grossed close to $270 so far.
It will be like the assassins creed movie where it almost broke even but not enough to be a flop
assassins creed cost 125mil and Pacific Rim 2 cost 150mil. That’s a hugh difference.
I think “A Wrinkle in Time” will be here soon
And, wow, “The New Mutants” is really in trouble. With that film be delayed TWICE, I can see that FOX will just put the film on Disney’s new streaming service(if they get acquired), and never give the film a theatrical release. I’m really getting “Fan4stic” vibes from this.
Interesting since it got a lot of hype when the trailer came out.
Wow. That REALLY is interesting.
Get ready for gnomes to join this list of a awful $10 opening in over 3000+ theaters
Midnight Sun also seems like a list addition. It did roughly 4 million in 2,173 theaters.
Wow that painful launch of Pacific rim 2 of $10m with a projected $25m on Friday and gnomes is even worse of a $3m on Friday
No pain from Pacific Rim Uprising as it was made with an eye on the foreign market, where it has already grossed over $122m. The $28m it grossed domestically was above the modest expectations of the studio so they’re content.
What about Sherlock gnomes
Yeah, that could lose some money.
It’s on the pending list, which means that it will be on the regular list at some point. And wow, did that film look awful(and yes, I have never seen “Gnomeo and Juliet”).
Even the trailer and movie poster for “Sherlock Gnomes” looked bad…it’s a miracle that MGM hasn’t gone the way of RKO!
At least it looked better(but THAT’S not saying much) than “Teen Titans Go! to the Movies”(or whatever that thing is).
Agreed, much like Warcraft and Resident Evil The Final Chapter, China saved it.
That’s right. It’s VERY clear that “Pacific Rim: Uprising” was made for the Asian market(especially China)in mind. The domestic(USA) opening weekend results(28 million) are weak, but that was more than what most sources expected(20-25 million). By the way, I saw that film when it came out on it’s opening weekend. It’s nothing spectacular, but it is silly fun.
Sherlock Gnomes has made $2,199,904 Worldwide.
Wheres red sparrow and gringo and samson
Red Sparrow has a shot at the list, Gringo is an Amazon film so its box office wont matter much to them in the long run and Samson cost next to nothing to make
Then why did wonder wheel bomb it is also made by amazon
I have no idea but whatever money is lost is a drop in the bucket for Amazon.
Red Sparrow is at $120 mil worldwide but not sure if it will gets a China release
Red Sparrow looks poised to be on the list. It’s foreign box office, which is at 76 million now, isn’t enough to make up the difference for a lower domestic total.
Let mourned the loss that was another quickie about the Entebbe raid called “7 Days in Entebbe”. Made $1.3 million the first weekend!!!
Well that’s two unwelcome, repetitive, and inaccurate posts you’ve composed today. After being told to halt such activities. How many more are you planning? Seriously, is this going to last until 2019? 2020? You need to build a bridge and get over it. You’ve been at it for six months now and the result isn’t going to change.
12 Strong made a profit and is not on the list. Nor is it on any other industry recognized, reputable flop/bomb list. Despite your continuous pleas and protests, all of which were rebuked, denied, and disproven. Deal with it on your own time, away from this board.
Sigh, as predicted JMovie lover’s innocent joke baited the crazy back out. Joy.
Seriously, we don’t need to experience daily manifestations of your residual bitterness and anger over 12 Strong not bombing, as you predicted last November, thus making it ineligible for the list. And your, resulting, inappropriate antics in trying to cope with that realization.
I have an idea… since this all is, somehow, tied to your personal well-being, why don’t you just create your own website and put it on? This website isn’t going to reverse their decision, despite your numerous inquiries, and ruin their credibility. Problem solved and you can get back on the road of positive mental health. We don’t need 20+ posts of this nonsense.
is Tomb Raider going to be okay?
If it manages to make it in the black, much like Resident Evil The Final Chapter, it has the overseas box office to thank. Its total overseas has already crossed the $100M mark.
Now it has crossed $200m ww
Seems to be doing well and will clean house internationally. The Assassin’s Creed movie made a lot of money based on foreign grosses and this was better received.
Tomb Raider has already made $102 million internationally according to Box Office Mojo, with more to be tallied. That will go a long way to making the film profitable.
Well, it didn’t do well enough for the head of MGM to keep his job…
WOW
And Sherlock Gnomes(which MGM co-produced with Paramount(who had an abysmal 2016 and 2017, but will have a chance this year thanks to “A Quiet Place” and “Mission: Impossible Fallout”), and their first animated film(of any kind) since “Igor”, which came out a decade ago(2008), and ended up on that year’s list) is doing terrible at the box office. “Gnomeo and Juliet” was a film that while it was successful for what it was(almost 200 million dollars worldwide on a modest 30 million dollar budget), but it has since been forgotten, and the seven year gap between that film and this(and Touchstone Pictures, who released the first film, passed on that film(possibly due to “Strange Magic” being a huge flop at the box office) and gave Paramount and MGM(for some reason) the rights.) Yeah.
I love how the majority of comments for this page are a debate about whether or not 12 Strong is a flop.
Well not really. It is actually people telling a determined individual writing under three names (movieticker, Dylan W, Clockwork) to please disengage in a series of toxic, unwanted propaganda pieces claiming that 12 Strong is a flop when five industry articles (all linked and referenced) confirm that it is not and outlined its profitability, financials and industry references included. And then insisting that the industry articles are a lie and that they know better than all of them, choosing their own reality. Behavior they have continued since last November.
The website, itself, has determined it is not a flop (based on said articles) and asked them to stop. Hence its absence from the list and removal of their posts. There’s really nothing more to discuss and it’s probably better to not open that can of worms again, as the individual will just start again a series of posts that are equally incorrect and anti-fan spam.
One has to wonder, of all movies… why such a caustic, irrational response over 12 Strong? It’s probably a bet or something. Or something more deeply rooted than the film itself. Like a disgruntled ex-employee or something. And why it is tied to their anxiety of Den of Thieves (which does still have a shot at making the list) if the VOD/streaming/cable deals don’t overindex? They are completely unrelated.
This Den Of Thieves obsession to support 12 Strong is not needed. Den Of Thieves made a profit now and is not a flop. You have been told this repeatedly by numerous individuals. Articles and exact quotes are listed on this website for reference of why Den Of Thieves made a profit, all of which you ignore for months in favor of this same disproven statement. It is time to move on to other movies.
This comment was also removed/hidden/”awaiting moderation” immediately after its creation. Writing it a second time is not necessary nor is it welcome here. There is a reason why your posts and account(s) keep having administrative action taken against it. Respect their wishes not to continue, which it’s obvious that they don’t want you to. This is not the place for such habitual behavior.
Of course the one person, Alex, who caused all the drama posted a response to JMovie Lover to continue the drama. Typical.
It’s not so much a debate but one person, Alex, convinced 12 Strong didn’t flop with paragraphs of nonsense and disproven data When multiple people corrected him, he responds with insults, just like he did to JMovie Lover. The real “debate” is individuals, some of which he continually names, told him directly that 12 Strong didn’t turn a profit yet, likely won’t with all revenue considered, and may be on flop lists. We won’t know for sure until all data is in and we can see how much in the red the production is. That was the assessment determined with all data, and Alex is unable to handle it, somehow convinced individuals forced the movie to not return a profit, which doesn’t happen. He’s been on a campaign of misinformation for months to try to change that determination unsuccessfully and responds to every 12 Strong mention, even when asked to stop.
You wrote this, exact, post and it was removed, hidden, and deleted. Writing it a second time doesn’t make it any less absurd or welcome here. There’s a reason why all of your comments are getting locked/”awaiting moderation”/removed from view. They are not appropriate and you’ve been told to cease.
Your latest rant is absolutely unwanted and absurd. I have no problems with Bob Knee, nor did he mention such. It was completely manufactured by you in trying to continue the unwanted, insufferable communication you insist on continuing on this board. I responded to you when you said that what I wrote is incorrect. I, as you asked, provided the location of the sources.
Your writing continuously as Dylan W, Clockwork, and movieticker (as confirmed by Disqus) has caused you to officially lose the plot and spiral out of control to complete lunacy. I also think it is rich that the person who boldly claimed “if you don’t like what I write, block me” is trying to play victim (again). There’s a reason why all your posts are being ignored here, it’s time for you to go. Your posts and contributions aren’t needed or welcome. Hopefully, that was the last post you feel the need to write here as this is not this board’s intention. Take the drama somewhere else, here we discuss movies not have meltdowns and personal issues with people. It’s now become bizarre, compulsive, and disturbing.
This is not productive, not requested, not on topic, and I am requesting that you stop responding to my posts again. You have stated your opinion and it is enough. No one has gotten personal but you, and it happens in every message you write. There are other avenues for you to seek the attention that you continually crave in your posts, please pursue those avenues instead of responding to me.
Dylan W told you he is not me. Nor is Clockwork myself. This is something you insist and only you. Disqus does not tell you the results of any inquiry nor is anyone aware of any inquiry being made. It is another manufactured statement that was disproven. It is now a crutch for you to continue to post responses that are not requested. Your desire to attack Bob Knee through my post to him and only him after he clearly ignored you is enough to show your problem with him. You hijacked a discussion when it was not invited to achieve that goal. You have a similar problem with Dylan W and Clockwork, and thus you made up this Disqus claim and hijack more posts. You initiate the drama, you respond to others when others ignore you. You need to take the hint, people are ignoring you for a reason. This just cements that you should pursue other avenues.
Again, none of what you wrote is remotely concerned with movies or their box office results. The intention of this board. It’s just another attempt to justify why your toxic, unnecessary behavior should continue. Save it. Better yet, just delete your accounts. Yes, accounts, plural. No one wants to read another 20 plus posts of this nonsense. Nor do we need to experience daily multi-paragraph juvenile rants from someone who has become unhinged to the point of disturbing, bizarre, irrational, compulsive behavior. The most peculiar of which is to respond directly to people in a hostile, abrasive, and derogatory manner continuously, as you just did, and then complain when they have the audacity to expose the behavior and ask for it to cease.
As I wrote before, it’s time for you to leave as you have no intention of acting in accordance with the mission statement of this community. Despite being given every opportunity to appropriately and positively contribute.
Your last post is what multiple people have told you to stop doing. It is your daily posting activity. Thank you for finally admitting your own posting style and disruptive way of posting. That is all anyone has asked for you to recognize and it took this long for you to admit it. It is refreshing to see you admit to your own motives that was evident to everyone.
In terms of posting standards, I would suggest that you start with yourself. Again, stop responding to me. Fix your own posting behavior before making suggestions to others. I anticipate a complete change of behavior from you if you choose to continue. But as it stands, this posting activity of your is not needed, or requested by me or others. It is now up to you to change as you are aware of it.
You wrote all of this before and it was moderated/hidden/removed for a reason. Not only is it completely untrue but now a documented pattern of meritless harassment. This is not the intention of this board and a clear violation of posting privileges. Hence the action on your account and connected names. Your anxiety is a self-inflicted condition of which you can alleviate by changing (and immediately ceasing) your unwelcome, toxic posting behavior. Yet, for some reason you refuse to. Again, this board is for discussion of movies/the box office results of movies… not having perpetual meltdowns and personal issues.
You stated, in retaining your posting privileges here, that you would immediately cease this behavior and stop all communication in this matter with myself (and others) on all your confirmed names, including but not limited to, Dylan W, clockwork, and movieticker as well as any you intend on creating in the future for, said, purpose. I would suggest you start, or as with the other posts you composed… they will be removed, too.
Nothing was hidden or removed. It was a long post three hours ago, so I reposted it shorter to meet Disqus’ requirements for an automatic post. Everything is posted as intended and everything subsequently written has been automatically posted without delay. But keep trying to convince yourself otherwise. This is the pattern of behavior that you keep doing, claiming an alternate reality that isn’t present.
Extrapolating on your dissatisfaction over moderation decisions on your posts is also not welcome here. If you have a problem with their censoring and decisions, you need to bring it to their attention. This is not the place for it.
This is just spam now. Disqus does not allow this. Move on. This has been disproven, along with all your other claims.
Writing the same thing in a third consecutive post is also not needed. You’ve been given ample opportunity to explain yourself, and it didn’t go your way. No one, other than the one who initiated it, can address moderation actions or override it. The actions are visible by everyone here who contributed on the thread, so it’s useless to deny it. It’s now up to you to comply with the rules of this board and remain within acceptable behavior. Or else, it will occur again. The choice is yours.
As Clockwork told you previously, this does not make sense. Nothing you said here is coherent. So at least you can claim consistency. At this point, you are just writing. It is spam, which is writing without a point.
Fourth time in a row… and it still is not necessary nor welcome. Again, this board is for movies and box office results of movies. Not for you to have personal issues with people. One time was too many, now it’s become bizarre, irrational, disturbing, and compulsive.
Black Panther appears to be making all the other movies flop currently. Avengers: Infinity War looks to be another monster, swallowing up all the other competing movies in the process. Currently, despite the downfall of A Wrinkle in Time, Disney seems to have practically cornered the theatrical market for new movies released in 2018. They have a monopoly. Streaming is the way to go these days. Another threat to the movies is the blockchain. Bitchute, Dtube, Viuly, Flixxo, and other decentralized video services are ready to disrupt the market as well.
That is a major issue. Disney has cornered the market in a way that it is very hard movies to break through and find a path. The days of 100 million plus production outside of Disney are likely coming to an end as there are only so much box office revenue to go around.
I wouldnt say completely. WB and the other studios will still make $100 million plus films for thier biggest series such as Fantastic Beasts, DC, Jurassic Park, Mission Impossible and so forth but for others I do agree they need to be considerate in order to have any chance at profits.
I agree completely. As long as studios continue to have recognizable franchises, accessible to the general audience, they will remain profitable. The bigger issue is maintaining reasonable budgets to allow for a profit. I do think that Netflix, and other streaming outlets, will continue to cater and expand into dominance in the independent film market.
Very considerate. Tentpoles and big IP franchises can likely still have a chance at a profit, but smaller movies have to be cautious.
Agreed. Baby Driver, for example, was made at a decent $35 million when it would have cost double that in the early 2000s. What I meant however was that the other studios should not really spend$100 million or more on films that dont have that much of a chance to succeed. King Arthur did not need to be $175 million nor did Geostorm. Either keep the budget reasonable or dont make it at all
The last line is so true. Budgets have to be very mindful.
Tomb raider is going to bomb 23 million on a 90 million budget
Now the studio is already got back 100M+ considering 55% domestic, 33-40% EU, 25% China share. It is profitable indeed if you know more about movie revenue breakdown. Marketing cost will be covered by international distribution sales. Literally no one in box office pro classify TR is a bomb.
Wish we knew what the budget for Gringo was, it has only made 3 million dollars so far.
I think the Amazon Studios stuff even when it doesn’t do well doesn’t belong here. It’s mostly fodder for their streaming service except unlike Netflix they get small to medium theatrical runs.
With Amazon and Netflix, streaming revenue is definitely the primary goal. Amazon can make up the discrepancy, but they $3.8 million domestic box office is a very light haul.
I don’t think Amazon are putting out things like Wonder Wheel, Gringo, The Neon Demon, etc… thinking they’re even going to pull $10m worldwide. I think it’s just to remove the “straight to video” stigma from their products. Now that Netflix picked up some Oscar nominations for direct-to-streaming Mudbound, I imagine Amazon changes this practice to just movies with serious box office or awards potential.
It seems like Disney is WILDLY under reporting the budget of A Wrinkle in Time at $100m to keep the humiliating disaster off lists such as this one.
Actually, it was reported at $103 million a while ago.
So much for being on the cover of Time Magazine.
And even if that $100m number was accurate, they’d still need around $400m world-wide to even begin talking about this approaching break even. Wow.
Wonder what the real number for both production and marketing will turn out to be? Or if we’ll ever find out?
A movie that drenched in politics that falls on its face? From Disney? Brought to you by ultra-narcissists Oprah and Ava DuVernay? Definitely unlikely. I’d be shocked if it hit $150m worldwide. It looks a bit short of another John Carter.
Found the article, LOL!: http://time.com/wrinkle-in-time/
I couldn’t finish that article. It was disgusting, horrifying, mindless and exactly the kind of information that makes me vomit. Using Jay-Z as a philosopher instead of Euripides? Yes, I’m certain Mr Beyonce’s tripe will last 2000 years.
Even underestimating the production, A Wrinkle In Time has a real shot at making this list.
Get ready for “The Hurricane Heist”! It’s prepped to open with only $7 million against its budget of $40 million.
Where’s 12 Strong?
Overperformed studio expectations – will probably break even.
Exactly, Jared. Dylan W, this was written to you three times already but 12 Strong is not a bomb nor will make the list. As confirmed by the trades, 12 Strong has already made a profit for WB. It’s becoming bad agenda spam now. Sorry to disappoint.
As I wrote last time: It overperformed studio expectations OW, and with its financial arrangement it’s $30M budget is backstopped from Alcon and WB is only on the hook for P&A. It’s WW total is double its budget and it has yet to enter territories, such as China.
Proud Mary, Den of Thieves (despite being considered for a sequel), Red Sparrow, and 15:17 to Paris are the possibilities to make it onto the list so far.
15:17 to Paris is kind of surprising. Eastwood usually works with very low budgets and there’s not a lot of A list stars or effects. At 50 million worldwide and that it will probably have a decent life on video/cable I’d be shocked if it wasn’t slightly profitable. I can’t imagine it having a huge ad spend, I didn’t hear about it until it was out.
Proud Mary is probably the only sure thing on that list. Den of Thieves seems successful and is still playing. Red Sparrow could be if it has no legs. Actually I might bank on that one being a bomb.
Actually, Den of Thieves made profit. Annihilation is another one to look out for as its legs aren’t looking that great for a movie that opened pretty low during its opening weekend. Red Sparrow could make it on this list as well.
Den Of Thieves made a profit and a sequel is in the works. It is not a bomb at all. It was profitable for STX and how it was profitable was reported in the announcement of the sequel. Proud Mary did not do well in the US, but with a lower budget, it likely will walk away with a close to break even and probably won’t be considered. Same with 15:17 to Paris, the lower budget will be able to break close to even. 12 Strong overperformed slightly in the US, but not enough to offset the lower international totals and the outrageous P&A spend the movie had. It also expanded to IMAX theaters which added to theater costs. It is in flop contention.
12 Strong, Annihilation, and Red Sparrow are all contenders. Proud Mary and 15:17 are close. Den Of Thieves is profitable right now. Not on the list. The Commuter was also profitable, not on the list.
STX is hoping that VOD/streaming/cable (ditto the Commuter) will bring Den of Thieves into profitability but it as of yet is not. The Commuter was saved by the overseas box office like most Liam Neeson vehicles. Hence, Den of Thieves should be considered on the list as a contender.
15:17 to Paris budget ($35M) is larger than 12 Strong ($30M) and did not have the financial arrangement of the latter outlined above. WB was not on the hook for the IMAX theater cost (as it was contractually pre-arranged by Alcon before being acquired by WB) and there was no such outrageous P&A spend, at a reported $8M. They targeted select conservative outlets for the movie, similar to other Patriotic films. Not included is 12 Strong’s healthy video/cable deals which further bring it into the black. If 15:17 to Paris can attain the same, it will be sparred from the list. As stated by others 12 Strong is profitable for WB and not on the list. Nor will it make an appearance.
The contenders remain Den of Thieves, Red Sparrow, Annihilation, Proud Mary, and 15:17 to Paris.
2 people have explained why 12 Strong should be on the list. 3 people have explained why Den Of Thieves is not a bomb. STX and other sources have also. It is widely reported. Copy and pasting the same arguments will not change that. There is nothing left to say. Den Of Thieves will not be on the list. 12 Strong has a chance. And as Jared said, 15:17 will not make the list either.
Multiple people, four to be exact, have composed to you (in this thread and in the 2017 thread) why 12 Strong is not a bomb, how it has been confirmed to be profitable by now for WB, and why the correct determination was made not to be considered for the list. They even broke down an industry article which states how 12 Strong is a huge success for WB and will lead to other similar themed projects in development.
12 Strong will not be on the list no matter how many times you inquire, and under what name you use (movieticker or Dylan W, which coincidentally are the only two names that keep spamming that 12 Strong should be falsely included on the list despite repeatedly being told why it is not). This board is not intended for anti-fan spam or agenda and hopefully now you can move on from it.
I can confirm that I am not movieticker and I was unaware of the industry article concerning 12 Strong’s profitability. I also have no ill will for 12 Strong. In fact, I haven’t even seen it yet so I don’t have an opinion on it either way.
At this point, you need to move on. Writing a regurgitation of the same incorrect points or a defense as to why you should be allowed to trainwreck the discussion needlessly, a week later after the discussion ended, is not productive nor the intention of this board. 12 Strong is profitable for WB and its rejection from consideration on the list thoroughly broken down and explained to you (on both your confirmed by Disqus connected identities). Since you claim to not be engaging in agenda posting, then this should be the last we read regarding 12 Strong on your two names, Dylan W and movieticker. However, I have a feeling it won’t which will just prove the point further.
In regards to 12 Strong, that is because there is not any article printed and available stating that 12 Strong was profitable. The speculation of profitability is the best case scenario for WB, but that does not mean that it actually happened or was verified.
Well, I guess you should be congratulated in having the self-control to not respond to yourself in three days. As was told to you previously, 12 Strong’s profitability was confirmed in five separate industry articles: THR and Variety articles with the financials outlined and explained, mentioned in regards to 15:17 to Paris’ OW box office and WB’s hopes that it emulates a similar path to profitability/success as 12 Strong, spotlighted and described in detail by Forbes, and confirmed again when industry sources wrote about 12 Strong’s lucrative steaming/cable deals (following similar Patriotic themed movies). All which have been confirmed. At this point, it’s just you ignoring everyone else, refusing to accept the industry confirmed and fact checked factual evidence (despite being directed to it by numerous people and having it explained to you repeatedly), and providing your own reality/version of events. And, henceforth, only you who seem to have such a problem accepting the reality of the situation. Part of me does wonder what is the cause of your delusional determination, but it probably isn’t worth it.
Den of Thieves is profitable now. STX isn’t on the hook for anything, it was all by an independent financier (Diamond Films). The international rights were sold off, which helped pay off a majority of the budget, and the ad campaign was fairly inexpensive, not to mention that films like this over-index on the home entertainment side.
Agreed and all of this can be verified in the following links.
Deadline – http://deadline.com/2018/02/den-of-thieves-2-sequel-gerard-butler-50-cent-oshea-jackson-1202287504/
Tracking Board – http://www.tracking-board.com/den-of-thieves-gets-sequel-with-gerard-butler-director-christian-gudegast-returning/
Variety – http://variety.com/2018/film/news/den-of-thieves-sequel-gerard-butler-1202697696/
The Hollywood Reporter – https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/den-thieves-2-gerard-butler-return-1084385
I think Annihiliation’s Netflix sell-off internationally will push it into profitability.
The numbers for Netflix’s sell-off internationally has shifted from $20 million to $30 million. Is there a reliable number that we can use as a benchmark? In terms of domestic box office, it’s sitting at roughly $28 million with a $40 million production budget. With domestic P&A spend, that adds to the cost. And it’s unclear whether Netflix or Paramount handles international P&A spend. That would be crucial to know in terms of its profit potential.
Den of Thieves has made more than 12 Strong while having a similar budget, so what are you even saying?
Similar budget range, but nowhere near the same financial arrangement. Also, Den of Thieves had a much bigger P&A spend than 12 Strong. Which is why one is profitable now (12 Strong) for a studio and the other hopes to be when VOD/cable/streaming deals are finalized (Den of Thieves). The Diamond Films point was previously discussed, and debunked, in the 2017 thread which is why it was ignored here the second time around. I do find it suspect that a week later, three names entered a dormant discussion and decided to compose at the same time inaccurate, propaganda statements with identical tone and word choice. Despite there being absolutely no reason to do so and not bringing anything new, or really relevant, to the discussion. This website does a good job in explaining when a movie breaks even, and the contributing factors of such a determination, take a look at it to alleviate your confusion.
Where have you found the P&A spends for each? Considering how WB is known for blowing a lot on P&A, I’d be very surprised if Den of Thieves spent more. In fact, one of the few articles I’ve found mentions that WB spent a lot more than STX on P&A for a similar opening. Granted, it didn’t give specifics, but I generally trust Deadline.
Deadline doesn’t state P&A figures but instead focuses on producer or studio spin, as you noted. Succeeding industry articles mentioned STX’s true spend with their head stepping down and their hope for it to be profitable in the future. As well as mentioning it again in more detail during Death Wish’s OW. WB curbed P&A spending for 12 Strong to focus on the similarly themed 15:17 to Paris, which they had more to gain from. WB never saw it as their film but a low risk acquisition. As for where both are stated explicitly, it can be seen in the quarterly profiles of every studio of which are reprinted in the aforementioned later articles, among others.
To help clarify, in regards to P&A spend, Den Of Thieves did not have a larger P&A spend than 12 Strong. In fact, the opposite was the case as 12 Strong had a much larger spend launch along with IMAX screenings. WB’s track record of larger P&A spends is absolutely the case and 12 Strong was placed as a January launch to accommodate a larger P&A. This again was printed in Deadline and the statement can be referenced. There’s no reason to not trust Deadline or think a bigger agenda is at play.
These tangent arguments presented seem to support 12 Strong when there is no record of any of the claims Alex has made. 12 Strong P&A spend was never stated as being impacted by 15:17 To Paris and the low risk acquisition claim was not substantiated actual numbers printed by a trade. And the other arguments made subsequently by Alex have been similarly debunked or unsubstantiated. The STX executive was in motion to leave in November 2017 before Den Of Thieves was released in January 2018 and was not related. The financials for Den Of Thieves proving profitability has never been modified or withdrawn. In fact, it has been recorded and easily accessible in numerous trades with further financials proving its validity.
You, literally, wrote this numerous times already to multiple people. Composing the same propaganda posts, yet again, doesn’t make it any less erroneous or unwarranted. Countless people have provided receipts and referenced articles in response to and in alleviating your inaccuracies and confusion. Especially since you aren’t providing any new insight or even factual counterpoints. 12 Strong is profitable and not going to make the list. Den of Thieves hopes to bring its totals into the black by steaming/cable/VOD deals… but until that happens, it’s a possibility to the list. I’m not sure why this causes you such anxiety, but it’s becoming concerning now as its beyond normal rationality. Every one else has accepted this, basic, concept and been able to move on. It seems that you are confused by this website and its purpose but it is not for anti-fan rants. And no one wants to read two to three days later another round of the same nonsense, composed by a series of easily connected names, confirmed to originate from the same individual.
Den Of Thieves made a profit. I’m not sure why you can’t accept this but its been stated numerous times with facts, figures, and sources from reputable trades. Future numbers do not have to be included. It is profitable now and an inability to accept the actual financials doesn’t negate or refute written and documented statements proving otherwise.
With 12 Strong, it has not been recorded anywhere where 12 Strong has made a profit with actual financials. Others have said they can’t follow your argument as it is not recorded financially. Your own statement had a future trajectory in China’s box office helping out 12 Strong to help push it into a profit. That is the difference, and this
has been explained multiple times to you by multiple people. Den Of Thieves is profitable, 12 Strong may or may not be when actual financials are examined. We simply don’t know with the financials given. For some reason, you refuse to look at the financials and this is also in your analysis of 15:17 To Paris, The Commuter, Death Wish among others. When multiple people have arrived at the same conclusion, you add unsubstantiated claims that we are all connected or have attachments to movies. These continued insults to everyone who respond to you are not needed and ruins your argument further.
I’ll bottom line it for you. We don’t need you composing under two names in continuing wholly inaccurate, repetitive, propaganda fueled discussions and reigniting long dormant conversations. Nor, do we need you creating new names, intending solely to agree with you/continue said discussion, when everyone else wise enough to see the obvious connection ignores you and your contributions to this board. You’ve been at this since November of last year. I get it, you are angry at being wrong. But it’s time to let it go. No one cares to see this continue until November of this year and beyond. Everything you just composed was stated before, explained how it is incorrect and provided actual article references, and asked to stop. Today alone, you were provided five industry articles in rebuttal of your inaccurate stance which you refuse to look at/think you know better. Most people would apologize for trainwrecking the discussion and move on. However, you can’t seem to and you continue to engage in the same foolery you compose every couple days. Rinse. Repeat. It’s not everyone else, it’s you. And it’s not needed or welcome here.
It’s very revealing that this is how you respond. All insults, no argument presented, and completely inaccurate in the entire statement.
However, the last line is the most telling. I do not recall you being the owner or moderator of this board. Telling members that they are not welcome here or needed is way out of bounds. It goes beyond insults, and beyond reasonable discourse. If you don’t want to read, there is a block button for that function. I have been very civil to you, and stuck to the facts. It’s a shame you did not.
As composed to you today, here are the articles: “THR and Variety articles with the financials outlined and explained, mentioned in regards to 15:17 to Paris’ OW box office and WB’s hopes that it emulates a similar path to profitability/success as 12 Strong, spotlighted and described in detail by Forbes, and confirmed again when industry sources wrote about 12 Strong’s lucrative steaming/cable deals (following similar Patriotic themed movies).” Review them at your leisure and, henceforth, there should be no further need for you to continue this or any other later identical discussions. Continuing to justify why you should be allowed to create multiple names and continue unwanted, toxic communications on this board is just as bad as the act itself. As I wrote before, you’ve been given six months to state your case. It’s not happening as you want, nor is it going to. Instead of regurgitating unwelcome responses, deal with it offline.
There is not a link to any of this, as was stated last time when you mentioned this. A google search does not pull up any specifics in terms of financials. You provided this as “proof” previously and others have refuted it. As others stated, it’s the hope that it could be profitable and how it could make a profit. You even added your own future measurement of China’s box office to support this which could not be verified. It never tied into 15:17 To Paris. That was a link you seemed to make and was also refuted. The claim made that I was “shown five new articles today” is incorrect. This is not five new articles. It is not new. It was not brought up to me by anyone but you at this moment. It is not even one new one today. All have been refuted previously. This is nothing new to add here or a new revelation, as it has been expressed by others previously. Again, your case is confusing and doesn’t follow financials. That is the one issue the whole time in your correspondence with numerous people. And then the insults, which are still prevalent.
Your last response, to address your confusion, is the epitome of what should not happen here and is not necessary. Curt dismissal of anyone willing to discuss with factual evidence and creating your own reality because it differs from what you want it to be. Only you seem to have this lingering problem. There is no “new” information because those are the true financials of 12 Strong. Which is the criteria used by every film, not just 12 Strong, in determining its success. They aren’t going to change and they were told to you by multiple here in confirming why it is profitable and not on the list. Variety, for example, is going to write yet another article stating the same thing because you don’t want to believe it to be true. At that time, you should have ceased this nonsense. However, since you can’t, there’s nothing else to provide other than to remind you again of the criteria the film industry uses in classifying a bomb and at what point a movie makes money for a studio. Using, said, industry articles to support the appropriate determination. Furthermore, you can’t feign being the victim when you are logging onto this board with the sole purpose of creating a disruption under multiple names. And, since you suggested the block option, others on this board have tried to no use. As you write under multiple names. Nor should they have to in avoiding your continuous, unwanted style of posting. The only option then is for people with the intention of contributing to leave or feel uncomfortable in posting, which also should not happen. As you don’t have the right to impact other’s enjoyment of this board nor state boldly if you don’t like my insufferable rants and stifling posting, block me.
In conclusion, there are no financials that you can provide with actual references in regards to 12 Strong. That’s the point that others have told you and why it’s hard to follow your argument. It’s OK to state that the information isn’t provided as in the case of 12 Strong it isn’t, at least not publicly. It’s easier to say that than insults when asked for proof.
No, in conclusion: Five articles were provided to you, when prompted. All which contain the financials of 12 Strong and, clearly, rebuke your stance. They have been submitted by numerous people to your attention whom all, clearly, understood the counterpoint. You have yet to review them, haven’t discussed them, and have no intention to. Which your latest response clearly demonstrates. Instead, all you have composed is toxic, propaganda pieces that shape the reality into what you want to be true, instead of what actually is. Only you have this complication and roadblock in moving on. It’s ok to admit that you were wrong and 12 Strong is profitable, despite your prediction last November. However, it’s not ok to continue the same rinse and repeat toxic communications on this board under multiple names.
As mentioned previously, Alcon paid for the IMAX screenings as part of WB’s acquisition deal of 12 Strong. WB is not on the hook for that cost and is only in for the P&A spending, which has been confirmed by multiple industry articles at $8M. Movies aren’t placed in January to accommodate larger P&A spend. WB selected the date because it was the same as American Sniper and other similarly themed military themed, red state leaning films. The rest of your response is a regurgitated copy and paste of points debunked and proven to be false by five industry articles which support and fully illustrate 12 Strong’s profitability, financials included. Articles which you refuse to read and continue to push on with your agenda. They aren’t untrue as people have gone on record.
When pressed, you have yet to produce a single shred of evidence to support your claims. All you state is vague comments. When asked for specific links of referenced articles, since no one has been able to locate it, you ignore the request. Which is unsurprising because, like everything else you’ve composed, it’s wholly manufactured, inaccurate agenda posting. There is no record of the profitability of Den of Thieves yet beyond conjecture. You keep claiming it exists, yet have not provided any factual evidence to prove this or support that it received the streaming/VOD/cable deals needed to make it profitable. The only thing you say is it’s being considered for a sequel, but this situation (for example with Star Trek 4) has happened before. Studios announce sequels, hoping to increase interest to bring the film in the black to warrant it. It was a PR ploy, nothing more. If benchmarks are not reached, the sequel is scrapped. As of yet, the benchmarks have not been reached and the project has been placed on the back burner for the studio. Your claim of knowing the timeline of an executive dismissal is the most ludicrous of false claims you’ve made yet. The financials proving profitability of Den of Thieves haven’t been withdrawn, because they don’t exist yet. Nor have you provided evidence that it does.
Bob Knee is correct. There is no point in discrediting him as the article is there to reference. All of these 12 Strong claims have been posted by you previously and disproven by multiple people. The facts and figures you claim have never been released publicly or quoted anywhere when fact checked and you have been told that repeatedly. It is now been months and you are still trying to sell the same argument that has been rejected. Copy and pasting them again does not make them any more valid. You have been told by Clockwork and by others that they do not make sense, and yet you continue to go on with these figures. In fact, it’s only you that continues to claim that your facts are right and when asked, provide nothing new to the table but these disproven claims. There’s no point in telling you what others have told you as you refuse to believe anything but facts and figures never released. More importantly, your issue is with Bob Knee, not me. I am not going to solve a problem that you obviously have with him. It is your personal issue.
As for the Den Of Thieves claims, multiple people,including myself, have given you the exact links, the exact quotes, and the exact financials for it. These are from industry trades that were never amended or forecasted, as you falsely claim in every message. You continue to claim that there is an “agenda” for posting them, we are
all “connected”, or some other absurd conspiracy theory. In this regard, it is you causing your own confusion in seeing the obvious. Quite frankly, you know the financials, you read them, and your only conclusion is that it is made up or some other absurd theory in denial. It is not our responsibility to fix the roadblock you have caused
because you do not want to accept what is on screen.
Keep your eye on Red Sparrow. With a $69 million budget, it lis looking to just open with $16-17 million. Granted overseas could allow it to break even but keep a close eye.