“Ferdinand ” deserves a spot on this list. It had to compete with “Star Wars The Last Jedi” and also, it needed 322 million $ to break even and it did not achieve that.
I’m going to paste what I wrote on Facebook a few months ago — this is not an affront toward you. Forbes or either of the Penske owned rags variety or deadline, set ridiculous bars of success for that movie to break even, based off of nothing. The budget was never released by Time Warner. The ceiling to reach profitability kept being raised by those publications, and in turn churned out clickbait articles that Justice League lost over $100M. In february, Time Warner posted their quarterly financial report and now here we are with deadline posting how Justice League’s box office pushed the quarter into profit. Movies that lose $100M don’t make investor reports as the reason there is a profit. http://deadline.com/2018/02/time-warner-beats-q4-expectations-powered-by-justice-league-1202276054/
It’s funny the guy who runs this can put Hurricane Heist and Early Man up immediately, but not all the ones from 2017 that should have been on here months ago.
Well, to be fair, it’s not completely laziness, Roman J. Israel has a few major markets to open in after Denzel got his nomination, so just holding off until we find out if Sony tries to capitalize off of it or dumps it like they have so far. Incredibly disappointing mess of a movie btw.
Birth of the Dragon, just waiting for the China release, which has not been scheduled yet — plenty of movies land a China release well over a year after it rolls out worldwide.
When are you going to add Justice League? It’s run finally ended this weekend, 3/15/18. It only made $658 million and needed $750 million to break even, for a loss of $92 million for WB. That’s not small change. For a movie that features DC’s family jewels it is embarrassing. This website’s list are starting to look bogus and biased.
WB needs to scrap the whole DCEU continuity and make independent DC characters movies. After 5 movies I have no interest at all in watching any future DCEU with the current cast (except for WW) and related movies. They definitely ruined Superman and Batman for me.
The greedy bastards at WB obviously don’t know how to built an unified universe like the MCU. Comic books fans deserve better.
Well, Justice League was my top film of last year, just ahead of Logan and Wonder Woman, with the other superhero-related films also on the list, and I felt it had some of the best versions of Batman and Superman. I’ve loved all the films in the DCEU thus far, as well as all those in the MCU, and I can’t wait to see more. Ben Affleck is also my top live-action Batman, but I prefer Kevin Conroy over them all. Have a great day, and God bless!
Bob Kneesays
According to Deadline, it was more like $60 million lost.
Bob Kneesays
Justice League probably should be added, since it hasn’t reached the much touted $750 million break even point.
This was mentioned to you below already but, 12 Strong is not a bomb. It overperformed studio expectations OW, and with its financial arrangement it’s $30M budget is backstopped from Alcon and WB is only on the hook for P&A. It’s WW total is double its budget and it has yet to enter territories, such as China. Proud Mary and Den of Thieves seem much more likely additions to the list. Maybe you meant 15:17 to Paris? Which had a lower OW than 12 Strong, and unless it appeals internationally, actually has a shot at making the list.
Den of Thieves is similar to 12 Strong. Outperformed expectations, Diamond Films (whoever they are) financed it and paid for P&A, STX has no money involved. The international presales apparently paid off over 50% of the budget, and there’s already a sequel in the works.
Phantom Thread should also be considered for this list. It’s only made $27.7 million on a $35 million budget. Unless it wins some Oscars (which I don’t expect it to), then I don’t think it’s going to make its money back.
Box Office Mojo reports that movie has a worldwide take of $314 million on a production budget of $84 million after 54 days in release. Overseas markets saved it.
It got to over $150 million in the States alone. Word of mouth saved it. Also has the largest second weekend increase in gross ever for a film in over 3,000 theaters.
I was going by these two rules of thumb: break-even for a US release is typically US revenue that’s twice it’s production budget and profitability is almost always a sure thing if worldwide revenue is three times the production budget. $84MM x 2 = $168MM and $84MM x 3 = $252MM. So while $150 million in the USA is $18 milllion short of its $168 million break-even number, overseas pushed it well past both $252MM.
Bob Kneesays
Without that success in the States, it would have been written off as a failure, since it seemed like more of a domestic play in the first place. International and domestic combined made it profitable, but the US is the real success story in the end.
Tristan Michelssays
Don’t even EXPECT that film to be on this list. It had VERY(and I mean VERY) long legs in the box office, and ended up making more than 150 million dollars in the USA alone, and a solid 314 million dollars worldwide. Even though FOX had the underperforming(though still fairly leggy) ”Ferdinand” playing at the time, this… well, FOX definitely had their Christmas miracle with ”The Greatest Showman”, and how much it over performed at the box office. No wonder why this film is not ending up on this list.
UPDATE: And the film made over 170 million dollars in the USA and more than 400 million dollars worldwide. Is there a chance that this film will end up on this list? NO WAY. I MEAN IT.
Why not talked about “Their Finest”, since the movie (About the making of a propaganda film about the Dunkirk rescue) is lost in the mist of the hype around the Christopher Nolan Dunkirk film!!!
Fox keeps adding new markets for it to open. I have no idea if it’ll get a south korea release. It certainly hasn’t done well, but its slowly creeping along. So, just keeping it off for now.
Predicting the 2018 flops:
January: 12 Strong, Den of Thieves
February: Early Man, Samson, Annihilation, The War With Grandpa
March: Death Wish, The Hurricane Heist, Tomb Raider
April: Show Dogs, Chappaquiddick
May: Action Point
June: Tag, I Feel Pretty, Uncle Drew
July: Alita: Battle Angel
August: The Meg, Nasty Women, Scarface, Captive State, The Happytime Murders, Three Seconds, Kin
September: Alpha, The House With a Clock in Its Walls, Robin Hood
October: Bad Times at the El Royale, Mowgli
November: The Nutcracker and the Four Realms, Widows, The Women of Marwen
December: Mortal Engines
I personally think Early Man will follow the sam pattern Aardman’s recent films have done. Weak US buisness but excellent numbers in the UK and other international places.
For Early Man, stop motion films don’t really tend to do well at the box office but it could do well overseas like Shaun the Sheep Movie did. Show Dogs looks like a bottom of the barrel bargain bin family film and Open Road Films doesn’t have the greatest track record. I could see Tomb Raider doing well if it’s well-received but it looks expensive and I don’t know how strong the Tomb Raider brand still is considering the last game in the series didn’t do all that well sales wise.
“Early Man” looked good(especially since it was from Aardman), but it flopped HARD and is on the 2018 list. “Tomb Raider” isn’t doing all that well in the domestic box office, but is doing well overseas(and somehow ended up being the BEST REVIEWED LIVE ACTION VIDEO GAME ADAPTATION ON ROTTEN TOMATOES, which really isn’t saying much, with a mediocre 50 percent). As for “Show Dogs”? WOW. THAT FILM LOOKS ABYSMAL, AND WILL BE THIS YEAR’S “Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”(as “Teen Titans Go! to the Movies” will be this year’s “The Emoji Movie”), but I’m VERY sure that the film cost no more than 20 million dollars to make, and will make an easy profit(even though I WANT the film to flop, no matter WHAT) as a result, since that’s the only family friendly fare that’s out in May(and before “Incredibles 2” steals its thunder in June, which it ABSOLUTELY WILL). Yeah.
And “The War With Grandpa” wasn’t even released in theaters, because, well, everyone knows(the Weinstein Scandal).
nolive2020says
There’s a decent chance Widows won’t bomb. You have an absolutely stacked cast, an acclaimed director in Steve McQueen, and Gillian “Gone Girl” Flynn writing the screenplay.
I think Action Point’s going to do well since it’s going to be in the same vein as Jackass. As long as Paramount doesn’t completely screw up the marketing, it should be fine.
International will probably be big, and the budget’s are low enough to probably break even easily. Paramount just needs to market. They’ve had a bunch of terrible films, and they did move Action Point right into the heart of May, which shows some confidence in the film. Also, 12 Strong and Den of Thieves are doing ok. Probably going to break even or make a little bit of cash in the long run. Early Man’s going to do well internationally and bomb in the U.S., while Samson’s probably made for pennies by a company that makes loads of money on the home entertainment market.
Dylan Wsays
I predicted that 12 Strong and Den of Thieves would flop before they were released. I didn’t think 12 Strong’s budget would be a low $30M and I didn’t think Den of Thieves would find an audience either but clearly they are both doing well at the moment. Samson actually looks like it was made for a bigger budget than most Pure Flix movies and I think Paul, Apostle of Christ is going to kill Samson at the box office.
Bob Kneesays
From what I could find, Samson was made in South Africa by some company that does commercials, so that’s why I think it’s cheap. Red Sparrow seems like it’ll bomb to me, because Jennifer Lawrence already showed she can’t get her audience to come to a film they don’t find interesting otherwise, and it looks like a mediocre thriller from the trailers. I think Pacific Rim: Uprising is going to bomb, since I heard a while back that there were major issues with it, along with the fact that the first one bombed in the U.S. too. Sherlock Gnomes does not look like something parents will actually take their kids to, or that kids find interesting. Gnomeo and Juliet didn’t have any real staying power either, so I don’t imagine there are a lot of people excited for it. Ready Player One scares me because it’s in a perfect place to completely bomb, with a large budget in a non-blockbuster season. Also, there’s the fact that it may not have enough widespread appeal and it’s mainly a nostalgia play.
Dylan Wsays
I could definitely see Pacific Rim: Uprising bombing but I could also see the international market saving it like the first one. Sherlock Gnomes probably has a low budget like the first one so it’ll probably be fine (but I sure hope it bombs, it looks like trash). Ready Player One could also bomb, seeing as Spielberg is no longer immune to flops anymore. However, I could totally see it becoming a breakout hit with the right focus.
Tristan Michelssays
“Pacific Rim: Uprising” did alright(if weak) in the domestic box office, and it’s making a very healthy amount of money overseas(especially China). “Sherlock Gnomes” is doing terrible at the box office(both domestically and overseas)so far. “Ready Player One”(which I’m going to see this weekend) has box office potential, and good reviews from critics(83 percent Certified Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes) are definitely helping, too. We’ll see.
Tristan Michelssays
”Alita: Battle Angel” got moved to December, and its going to compete with 4 OTHER MOVIES ALL COMING OUT AT THE SAME CHRISTMAS SEASON! No wonder that it will be a HUGE box office flop.
Oh yes. I definitely think that ”Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse”(even though it’s from the creators of ”The Emoji Movie”) and ”Mary Poppins Returns” will do very well in the Christmas season. I think that ”Aquaman” and ”Bumblebee”(yes! I just said that) will do well, too. The competition definitely looks TOUGH.
And the best way to describe it? Thanks to having to compete with “Ready Player One”(and ESPECIALLY in China), “Pacific Rim: Uprising” has lost it’s audience. And now with “Avengers: Infinity War” dominating the box office, and the film out of most theaters as well, there are a few words. The film has made 280 million dollars WORLDWIDE on a 150 million dollar budget, and I doubt that it’s going to make more. I think it should be on this list. By the way, I’m VERY pleased with how “Ready Player One” is doing at the box office, both in the USA and overseas(especially China). It’s going to hit the 130 million dollar mark soon in the USA, and even if “Avengers: Infinity War” keeps taking more and more of it’s audience, there’s still a chance it could hit the 140 million dollar mark(or maybe even the 150 million dollar mark) if it’s still doing as it is. Even “Rampage” is doing alright both in the USA and overseas(even if it lost a huge chunk of it’s audience thanks to “Avengers: Infinity War”), and “Tomb Raider” did very well overseas(even though it didn’t do very well in the USA, but hey, that’s not the main goal!), too. Thanks, Warner Bros.!
Father Figures will be posted shortly. Downsizing opens in a few markets this weekend and I don’t expect much but holding off just to see if there is any overseas appeal.
I think putting Hostiles on the pending list is a bit early. It seems like it’ll do better in a wide release, not to mention that Entertainment Studios also seems to have no idea how to do a limited release.
The film opened in more overseas markets over the New Year’s weekend, and has now made more than 70 million dollars overseas. The film has made more than 50 million dollars in the USA, and has already made more than 120 million dollars, already making it’s 110 million dollar back, but THIS IS THE WORLDWIDE GROSS. And now with ”Paddington 2” coming out next week, and ”Star Wars: The Last Jedi”, ”Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle”. ”Coco”, and ”Wonder still taking family audiences, I’m doubtful the film will stay in theaters for too long.
Roman Reigns Owns The IWCsays
Why isn’t The Mummy on this list?
Fernando Gomessays
Must be the fact that it did better overseas.
Roman Reigns Owns The IWCsays
Hmm, I mean it’s been labeled a box office bomb though.
Fernando Gomessays
You’ve got a point there.
Timmy Sargentsays
I think The Greatest Showman could very well end up on this list. It has a budget of $84 million, and made 8 million dollars on it’s opening weekend, it’s a bad start for a film with a big budget like this, even Ferdinand and The Star were more successful than this, and Star Wars and Jumanji will take most of it’s family audience.
It might actually break even. It did really well during its second weekend. In fact, it currently holds the record for the lowest second weekend drop, with a whopping 76.6% growth over its opening weekend!
The Greatest Showman ended up setting many box office holding records, and is still at the box office now, going into its 8th week and showing 4-6 times per day and even has IMAX showings. It is expected to surpass La La Land at the domestic box office now. Despite its horrible weekend, word of mouth saved it and it didn’t come close to flopping.
Scarface probably is going to get moved to another year or cancelled, since I don’t think they’ve even started filming yet and they can’t seem to get directors for it. Nutcracker’s Disney and will probably do well enough with the target audience. All the rest are definite possibilities.
True, I also believe that the Scarface remake will be cancelled but for the time being, it is still on the release schedule for next year. Also, keep in mind that Disney is not impervious to flops. Do you remember John Carter, Mars Needs Moms, The Lone Ranger, and Tomorrowland? The Nutcracker already looks expensive to begin with and they are doing major reshoots on the movie very soon. Even though the movie is a major Disney release for the holidays, it will be up against the animated Grinch movie from Illumination Entertainment, Fantastic Beasts 2, Wreck-It Ralph 2, Mortal Engines, Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, Aquaman, Bumblebee, and Mary Poppins Returns. That is a lot of competition (including 2 from Disney themselves) and I doubt think it’ll survive. I get too much of an Alice in Wonderland remake vibe from the trailer and while it will go through extensive reshoots soon, I just don’t think that’ll be enough to save it.
JMovie loversays
I feel Mortal Engines is doomed if it keeps its release date. Universal should move it up to September as that month could use an IT type breakout
Tristan Michelssays
And don’t forget about the upcoming ”Teen Titans GO!” movie too.(with the beyond lazy title of ”Teen Titans GO! to the Movies”). The fact that it’s based off a very disliked TV show, the fact that it’s coming out 1 YEAR AFTER THE INFAMOUS ”The Emoji Movie”, and the fact it will have too much competition over the summer of 2018 will have this film flop BIG TIME, even though Warner Bros. has already revealed the budget. A TINY 7 million dollars. Yeah.
Even though there are a lot of people who hate Teen Titans Go, it is massively popular with the kids. I don’t know where you got that budget figure from since the movie is still being made at the moment but if the movie’s budget does end up being that small, it’ll have no problem making a profit.
Tristan Michelssays
Yes, I am aware about ”Teen Titans GO!”’s massive popularity with children. But Cartoon Network has(and will continue to) air tons and tons of ”Teen Titans GO!” marathons, and kids will already get their fill of ”Teen Titans GO!” by watching those. And there’s also going to be family competition as well(”Incredibles 2”, ”Hotel Translyvania 3”, and the ”Christopher Robin” movie) that summer, which will really limit that film’s chance for success, And yes, if the budget remains very small, the film COULD make a profit. But then again, it’s ”Teen Titans GO!”. Adults and fans of the old(”Teen Titans”) show will skip it, though. Really.
Dylan Wsays
I don’t know if a lot of kids are going to see Christopher Robin. I think that most people who see that will be older and grew up with Winnie the Pooh.
Tristan Michelssays
I also knew that, too. But there are kids who know who Winnie the Pooh is. And yes, even though the last film starring Pooh became a HUGE FLOP at the box office(it had to compete with the last ”Harry Potter” film, which ended up being the highest grossing film of that year(2011), and it became the only film made during the Disney Revival era that actually lost money), I do see box office potential for the new film. Really.
The Meg should do well. I hope. Because the books were amazing. So, if all goes well, it should do well. It doesn’t have much competition around that time, as well.
Downsizing and All the Money in the World are definitely bombing. AtMitW (there is no good way to make this title shorter) might survive with Oscar noms, but it may be a bust otherwise. No one seems to like Downsizing, so that kills any shot of it making money.
I think the jury is still out on All The Money. Opening day wasnt strong but the days and weeks ahead will determine its status. Plus Scott’s movies tend to travel well overseas and the international setting could help it. Downsizing is DOA no matter what way you look at it. Even with holiday legs it will be lucky to reach $30 million domestic and I cant see it doing well internationally either
I think we have a new film that could end up on this list… The recent animated adaptation of ”Ferdinand the Bull”, otherwise called just ”Ferdinand’. It got decent reviews from critics, but made an EMBRASSING 3.6 million dollars on it’s opening day in the USA, and could end up with a pathetic 12 million dollars on it’s opening weekend, especially since it cost a fairly huge budget of 111 million dollars to make. And what movie did it fail against? A critical and commercially successful box office monster called ”Star Wars: The Last Jedi”(despite getting mixed feedback from fans, the film got EXCELLENT reviews from critics, and I’m still REALLY(and I MEAN REALLY) excited for that film), which made almost 105 MILLION DOLLARS ON IT’S OPENING DAY ALONE, AND WILL MAKE ABOUT 215-220 MILLION DOLLARS ON IT’S OPENING WEEKEND ALONE. Yeah, the film could have a long leggy run over the holidays(it helps that the film got fairly solid feedback from critics and audiences), but there will be a lot of family competition over the next week(the upcoming ”Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle”(which I’m also seeing, and it, along with ”The Last Jedi”, will take this film’s family audience), and holdovers (the aforementioned) ”The Last Jedi”, ”Coco”, and ”Wonder”(the latter 2 really did well back in November, and both of them are still taking family audiences)), and this film will really fall apart. Even ”Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip” had a better start than this, and that film already did lousy in the box office. I’m hopeful that when Disney acquires Fox, they will help improve Blue Sky’s work, and make more good films. That’s all that I really needed to know.
I doubt the Disney empire would allow Blue Sky to exist for long. These mega conglomerate mergers just create frightening behemoths. It will likely either be shuttered completely or certain animators and executives absolved into the disney/pixar fold. The Disney method (which has been working for them) is less films costing tons of money with insanely huge and focused ad spends. Every movie can easily tie into the mouse house ecosystem. There’s no room for independence or an outfit like Blue Sky which would just get in the way of development and marketing Disney/Pixar brand toons.
And the film flopped over the holiday season. ”Star Wars: The Last Jedi’ and ”Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle” took almost all of it’s family audience with them. Now has almost 30 million dollars in the USA, and a little more than 60 million dollars worldwide, thanks to a decent amount of overseas markets opening, and the film still has A LOT of overseas markets left. Even ”Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip” did better, but that was because aside from ”Star Wars: The Force Awakens”, there was BARLEY any family films competing against it, and the only family film that came out(before ”Kung Fu Panda 3” came out, which was the first film in 2016(no, ”The Revenant” doesn’t count, that film was a 2015 film) that really made good money at the box office, both as a family film and in general) after that was the infamous ”Norm of the North”, which everyone knows got ABYSMAL reviews from critics and audiences and flopped at the box office, but for ”Ferdinand”, it not only HAD to compete with ”Star Wars: The Last Jedi” and ”Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle”, but both ”Wonder” and ”Coco” were also still getting attention from family audiences, too, despite both films being over a month old. Now ”Ferdinand” doesn’t have that many chances in the box office. It will be impossible to make it’s 110 million dollar budget back in the USA, but there still MIGHT be a chance for the film to do well overseas, considering that, like I said, the film hasn’t come out in most of it’s overseas markets yet. But if it doesn’t, it could end up being the BIGGEST ANIMATED FLOP OF 2017. We’ll never know.
Tristan Michelssays
But yeah, I agree with you. I doubt that Disney will let Blue Sky exist for long.
Not sure why it’s not on the list. There’s a few others that deserve to be here: 1. Colossal Budget: $15m
Box office: $4.7m 2. Free Fire Budget: $7m Box office: $3.6m 3. 9. Lost City of Z Budget: $30m
Box office: $17.2m 4. The Ottoman Lieutenant Budget: $40m Box office: $240,978
We have hit a lot of the big ones though for this year though. Also, with Star Wars The Last Jedi coming out this weekend, that’s bad news for the disappointing Justice League whose worldwide total stands only around 613.4 mill (which is crazy to think about that amount of money considered to be disappointing). WB could lose 50 to 100 mil from Justice League. Estimates point to Justice League ending it’s run around 635 mil. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-warner-bros-could-lose-on-justice-league-50-to-100-million-2017-11
We’re leaving most indies off the list — usually under $20m.
There is no source that has listed the Turkish propaganda movie The Ottoman Lieutenant as a $40m production. It was quickly produced in response to the expensive The Promise.
IMDB, Wiki, and NME have the budget listed as an estimate of 40 mil. Where they got that number I have no idea: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4943322/ I can’t find any source that has the actual budget for the movie listed. I did hear about it being rushed into production after The Promise and it getting bombed by critics and making a pathetic 240,978 box office.
Dylan Wsays
What about The Lost City of Z? I know it’s a fantastic movie but just like Blade Runner 2049, the budget was too high to succeed and it didn’t even make its $30 million budget back.
The Lost City of Z is added. Decent movie. Too bad.
Brian Duffeesays
Looks like Justice League is going to be very much a flop for Warner Bros.. and with Star Wars coming out next weekend.. any potential to make one last final push is pretty much dead. Also, did Geostorm and Flatliners avoid making this list?
And it ended up making 62 million dollars worldwide. That’s solid for a low budgeted film like this, but not that good for a major released film. But considering the film’s small 20 million dollar budget and a small amount of money for marketing, that’s not bad at all. Still… … I digress. Never mind.
Did you guys see Justice League’s opening? Only $93 Million in the US & Canada, it was brutal.
Do you think it could possibly end up on this list? It opened in most international territories on the same weekend as the US, and it seems like its legs will be short given stiff competition (Coco, Thor, Wonder).
Are you sure? 93 million dollars is a good start! Sure, the film made less then what Warner Bros. expected, and yes, a 93 million dollar opening on a film that cost 300 MILLION DOLLARS to make and fix(not including marketing costs) is a little disappointing, but come on! It can still make money!
Actually, that’s a terrible start for Justice League and just shows that trying so hard to copy Marvel and rush the team ensemble movie was not a good idea. To put some things into perspective, this is the first DCEU film to open at less than a 100 million which for the team ensemble movie you would think would be ranking in all that dough and would be doing better than your other movies. To make things even worse… their initial projections for the film for opening weekend was $110โ120 million, but then they cut it back to 95 million and yet the film still came in below their expectations …TWICE… with only 93.8 mill! The worldwide opening is just as bad with initial projections at $215โ235 million but the film only ended up having a $185 million international debut from 65 countries including big ones like China and Mexico. You would expect this film to have already have $300 by now from opening weekend, but it didn’t and viewership is only going to decline going forward and it’s not like this film still has many more countries to debut in because it’s already debuted in pretty much all of them. Then there’s the fact that you have other movies coming out like Coco, Star Wars, Disaster Artist, The Shape of Water, etc that are going to compete with Justice League and that’s going to eat into their box office. It could very well end up being on this list. This coming week and the next few weeks will determine if this movie ends up being a disappointment or a money loser. Just to break even, the film is going to need a worldwide total from 600-750. I would not be surprised at all if it ends up on the list.
The movie has now grossed $315 million worldwide. At this rate, I expect it to cover its budget easily.
Slyfox1says
The movie has grossed over $480 million worldwide, but it needs to reach about $825 million to break even on its approximately $450 million budget. As Tristan pointed out, Warners could potentially lose $50 to $100 million on the film.
Well, that’s not the budget. With the 300 MILLION DOLLARS the film cost to make and reshoots, and the extra 150 million dollars Warner Bros. spent to market the movie, the total budget is really 450 MILLION DOLLARS. Add the fact that the film is expected to end it’s run with at least 650 million dollars worldwide(which is a great amount of money, except for a film that cost 300 MILLION DOLLARS TO MAKE AND RESHOOT, ), and the fact Warner Bros. is expected to lose at least 100 million dollars from this film. Yeah. Second big budget DC film to lose money after the awful ”Green Lantern” film from 2011(which had Taika Waititi, who directed “Thor: Ragnarok”(the film that STOLE this film’s thunder back in November), play a supporting role.). Yeah.
Watched The Circle recently and boy was that a stinker. It was cheap though and pulled in close to $40m.
About The Snowman, I wrote this in an earlier comment: Not sure where this $35 million budget figure that is floating around came from. The Norway film commission has the budget at about $21 million — and that doesn’t appear to be after rebates. Seeing how 15% of the script wasn’t even shot, I can’t imagine its much higher.
Quite frankly I’m shocked that Geostorm hit $200 million. And is still pulling in millions each week. At this rate it does look like it’ll run out of gas before it comes anywhere near a break even point — but I’m holding off until its run is over.
The Circle and Their Finest both were named as disappointments by Europacorp, which contributed to them losing $84 million between around February and September, the main cause being Valerian, of course.
I’m still waiting for ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” to be on this list, even if it ended it’s run a long time ago. It made 40.1 million dollars worldwide on a 22 million dollar(which I think included marketing)(and I originally estimated the budget at 25 million dollars, but 22 million dollars is still close)budget, which is just terrible. It should be on this list.
You need to add the advertising costs, which could have pushed the budget up to $300-400 million, plus the fact that theatre chains only pay distributors 55% of the gross
Unfortunately, only about 55% of that will go back to the studio. And of that $124 million, 60 million went for P&A, leaving about $64 million to offset the $178 million production budget.
Since it was only released in ten theatres, I have a feeling this movie won’t be covered, but since the last Amityville film grossed $108 million, it is a stark downturn, and I think this may be excepted and will be covered anyway.
No interest in thank you for your service. My son and I are combat vets, us army, and we don’t like seeing actors play veterans. Let them serve then play vets.
Not sure where this $35 million figure that is floating around came from. The Norway film commission has the budget at about $21 million — and that doesn’t appear to be after rebates. Seeing how 15% of the script wasn’t even shot, I can’t imagine its much higher.
Here’s another film that’s going to be a HUGE box office flop that’s coming out this week! ”Geostorm”! The film looks terrible and looks like another generic big budget disaster film with lots of CGI effects but nothing else on every level! I heard that that the film will NOT be screened for critics, AND it will make 10-15 million dollars on it’s opening weekend! And not to mention that the film cost 120 million dollars to make! Get ready!
Brave the loss. I think Geostorm will probably be WB’s second biggest flop this year, behind King Arthur.
Doesn’t help that unlike King Arthur, people don’t see any reason to rewatch Geostorm, so it’ll just be forgotten in the end. A massive bomb for Gerard Butler, indeed.
Bad news Bale Runner 2049 is a flop in the U. S., making $11 million in the second weekend, and $60.5 million so far. Sad, just like what the oringial got!!!
The original flopped thanks to ET, but here, I think it’s because of the $150 million budget plus P&A, and the slow market that’s plagued recent months.
This flick reminds me of Terminator Genisys, which is based on an already established franchise. The difference is that BR is based on a novel (which some people disagree that it was more based on the animated feature Ghost on the Shell) while TG was more based on Cameron’s thriller Terminator.
It also reminds me of Batman Begins, where the focus was more an psychological drama over action.
I watched it in IMAX with Laser and it was nice. This resulted in bright images, especially the oceans, projected by dual projectors on the giant 42 feet high, 65 feet wide screen of IMAX, completely using the whole screen with a little of chopping the picture. The images are larger than life, but they don’t confuse the eye or strain the vision of the audience. Along with 12000 Watts IMAX proprietary sound system that was used very well for the sound editing! Viewing it in IMAX with Laser was spectacular. The visuals were dazzling.
Overall, it’s a 180 minutes (including trailer preview and numerous ads) one-time watch. Not to the grand level of the original but good enough for watching it in IMAX!
Spoiler Alert
Ford and Gosling fighting each other? How many times did we see this? First becomes fiends and then friends. Everyone knows what will happen to the villain. The hologram GF concept was good. The ending was also very predictable!
I got a complimentary ticket as there was some technical issue in the projector!
My significant digit score: 6.4/10
Kind of shocking that I believe My Little Pony only cost a fifth of what Blade Runner cost and given merchandise sales, ticket sales, and social media monetization, it will walk away with a modest profit. My Little Pony is doing better than Blade Runner, despite coming in 4th place at the box office. Blade Runner cost $150 million, and from the looks of it, will struggle to make a profit.
I will have some good news for you. ”My Little Pony: The Movie” only cost 5 MILLION DOLLARS to make! So for the 8 million dollars it made on it’s opening weekend, it’s still considered a success. Adding to the fact that it has now made 16 million dollars worldwide, already more than the 15 million dollars it needed to break even, and the film is still making a profit for Lionsgate. Yeah, sure, that’s a very lousy amount of money for a major film, but for a film that cost a very tiny amount of money like this? It’s actually very good! So it’s still considered a box office success!
The movie production and advertising costs were almost $30 million. MLP would need to gross close to $60 million to not lose money during its theatrical run. It would have to gross well over $60 mill to be considered successful.
Aaron Griersonsays
Wow, never thought it would be that much. And considering it has just dropped 68% in its second week, I don’t have high hopes for its future prospects.
Tristan Michelssays
Well, oh no. Turns our it needs to make at least 60 million dollars JUST to break even! Then I was wrong! It will become a box office flop if it doesn’t make at least 60 million dollars worldwide!
Iansays
The $150 million Blade Runner 2049 has worldwide revenue of $156 million ($60 million in USA & Canada, $95 million outside USA/Canada) so far in 9 days of release. It will get past $170 million before October 27 if it can average at least $1 million per day and then it will open in China and may be able to top $200 million before it and all other October releases are buried by Thor Ragnarok in the first week of November.
Keep in mind, however, that the movie had a budget around $70 million so it would need to gross a lot more than the $90 million it’s taken in so far. Not sure how big the ad budget was either, but I’d give a wild guess that it would have to gross somewhere north of $200 million to break even.
Fernando Gomessays
The budget of The Lego Ninjago Movie is 70 million.
Jordan Newell Whitesays
Why is The Mountain Between Us listed in the pending movies section?
It’s at $58m global with a $33m budget. I would imagine by the time it closes out of all markets it’ll be (roughly) break even? Still to be released in Spain, Italy, South Korea, and Norway. No idea if it’ll ever release in China? Probably not, but if it did would probably make up the rest of it’s budget deficit?
Well, for the disappointment part, I might agree with that. But since it still made money, Paramount will be perfectly fine.
Bob Kneesays
Paramount’s been in crisis mode for the past two years. This needed to be a bigger hit than it was. Transformers and Mission Impossible have been the only two big franchises that they’ve had, and Transformers losing that status is a big deal.
JKsays
Well I’m surprised it’s even on this list given that the movie was considered bad in every way and officially flopped at the US box office. What gives?
JKsays
Sorry I meant to say that I’m suprised it’s NOT even on this list.
Aaron Griersonsays
Tristan’s right, I’m afraid. It played below expectations, but in a poor summer, $605 million was a massive sum.
We got a new flop coming. for the first weekend of October-Flatliners! No, not the Julia Roberts one-it’s whatever they called it-a remake or a reboot!!! Too bad!!!
I really don’t think Nut Job 2 will scrape a profit. It just recently cleared its production budget and it still hasn’t covered its P&A (print and advertising) costs yet.
Fair enough, although it hasn’t been released in Spain and France, and it’s out in Australia on August 2018 (don’t know why). Then again, looking at the first film’s stats – http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=nutjob.htm – , maybe you’re right – the movie will flop. We can only wait and see…
The studio had a lot riding on the franchise too, they had announced a stage show a few months ago.
Eli U. Lamoreauxsays
Friend Request should be added as it performed way below expectations, even for a horror film. Not helping matters is that it was already released in foreign markets a year ago.
Friend Request only had a budget of $9.9 million. The person who runs this site likes to list movies that flopped that had a budget of $20+ million unless they have a significance to their failure if their budget is under $20 million. I guess Friend Request might fall into the latter category because it now holds the record for worst opening for a movie playing in at least 2,500 theaters ($2 million opening; previous record went to Victor Frankenstein with an opening of $2.5 million).
Not surprised, it was supposed to come out last year, but the studio kept changing the release date. It had dates for October, November, and December last year. I think the studio knew they had a bad film on their hands.
Mother! will probably end up flopping at this point due to the polarizing nature of the film. American Assassin is going to flop if it doesn’t do well internationally from here on out. If Stronger doesn’t become an awards contender, it’s not going to warrant its $30 million budget. Logan Lucky isn’t looking too good financially. The Nut Job 2 and Detroit are outright flops.
This has easily been the BIGGEST September in years, with ”It” dominating the box office and soon will become one of the biggest horror films ever, but with the new releases, I’m definitely concerned. I really was looking forward to ”Kingsman: The Golden Circle”, even though it was rated R, but the mediocre reviews it got made me not bother. But the film I’m really concerned about the most is ”The Lego Ninjago Movie”. I really loved ”The Lego Movie”, and ”The Lego Batman Movie” was great fun, too, but after seeing the MIXED reception the film got(49 percent on Rotten Tomatoes compared to the 96 percent and 91 percent ”The Lego Movie” and ”The Lego Batman Movie” got on the same site respectively), I wasn’t very compelled to see it in theaters. Maybe if it comes out on DVD and Blu-Ray, I might take a look at it, I suppose?
The Nut Job 2 has some major markets it will open in the upcoming months — just waiting to see how it performs. Detroit on the other hand looks like its a money loser — holding off on the slightest of slight chances it emerges in a few offshore markets as a serious award contender and pulls in ok numbers.
The Circle earned $20 million on a $18 million budget in the US and there was very little marketing so it appears to be a break even or, at worse, a small loss for its studio and distributor. Everyone still loves Tom Hanks, Emma Watson, & John Boyega so it’s not a career-breaker for its acting star although it does not bode well for its director & co-producer James Ponsoldt.
Leap made a ton overseas and TWC bought domestic rights for only a few million. It’ll wind up profitable for just about everyone. Smurfs did alright overseas, so it might have broken even or even made some money.
Not only were this summer’s films horrible in comparison to summers past, but the box office was horrible too. Rotten Tomatoes, too many sequels and reboots, big budgets, competition from Netflix and Amazon, the fading of star power, and many others played a role in making this summer dreadful. Granted, My Little Pony: The Movie does not have the kind of audience a Disney movie would have, and an even smaller unexpected demographic called bronies, yet given the low cost of Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie, also made in Canada, I wouldn’t be too surprised if MLP had a similar budget and managed to make back it’s money in all worldwide territories that it will get distribution in, along with merchandise sales coming along with the movie. The demographic reasons are why the box office analysts are leaving out MLP in their fall forecast, pinning their hopes on movies like IT, Kingsman: The Golden Circle, The Lego Ninjago Movie, Blade Runner 2049, Thor: Ragnarok, Justice League, and Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi. They are really Victorian minded.
Here’s another turkey to check out: “The Layover”, a so-called comedy directed by actor William H. Macy, has a 0% rating on Rotten Tomatoes! As I said before, it’s not easy to get a 0% on RT, so this movie must be really bad (by contrast, “The Emoji Movie” got an 8% and “Tulip Fever” an equally dismal 11%!)
Lastly for Ghost in the Shell, it was a sad day when it began WITHOUT its original beginning soundtrack provided by Kenji Kawai. The fact that such an important first frame musical track was needed made audiences angry once it started without it. Second, Scarlett Johansson playing the Major was a bad move. Since the main character was Asian in the 1995 animation version it should stand to reason that the lead actor should also take the role who is of the Japanese guild of actors. Why mess with something so incredibly profound such as this film? Again as I mentioned below with the Dark Tower, run of the mill directors should not take the helm. They should have asked Mamorou Oshii to direct the film since his visionary prowess would have cemented the entire fan base along with Kenji’s haunting music making this cult fan favorite a possible Oscar winner. Yet as before producers do not care about quality, they care only about what the next financial bloom is going to be using high tech special effects without a story base to go along with it. The only scene which I did like in the entire film was the hand to hand combat segment between apartment buildings with the Major, and her runner. That was the most poignant example of the film which was genuine. At least they got that one right. Other than that the rest fell short for continuous distractions such as holographic images through out the city, which the animation had very little of. There was no need to add such ludicrous scenes. All in all, not a bad attempt but… not a great one either. Hopefully they will ask Mamorou to direct a redo with an all star Japanese cast.
The reason Valerian failed was because nobody in america knew of its origin. Basically it come from a French comic of the same name. Its popularity in France is compared to Bleach or Naruto manga comics in Japan as well as other countries. Yet the movie itself is a blossoming vision of Luc Besson who directed The Fifth Element, which did fantastic at the box office. Perhaps if France’s version of Comicon landed in America written in English it would have created a new fan following. Alas that did not happen. Thus the story itself seemed too convoluted in order for the audience to make any sense of it all. Still for its lack of story understanding it held massive amounts of special effects which to me was a breathtaking example of Luc’s imagination. He can still blow audiences away with his collaboration with the film crews to make his mark in the movie industry. If anything other than directing, he has the fortitude to amaze teen minds all over the world. I’d say if america was to read this story from first book to last then maybe just maybe they could appreciate its message overall. Sadly though… Luc must contend with the narrow minded critics of america because of the fact it was not american made. Still… kudos to Luc Besson for his wild thrill ride in our solar system.
The worst thing about The Dark Tower was that it was too short. By any standard the Stephen King adaptation needed a lot of character development in order for the audience to appreciate each role build otherwise it was just a free for all special effect circus. Needless to say Idriss Elba was magnificent in his role as the gunslinger just like the novel character. Yet for some reason I could not get used to Tom Taylor who played Jake. In the novel he was more progressive, hardened and up to the tasks that the gunslinger provided. It just goes to show that run of the mill directors often take the short easy way out with a big paycheck as well as the producers. This was a debacle from the very beginning frame to the last. Great actors but it hardly made up for its lack of content, plot, theme, and emotional turmoil that every character had to endure in the story, which was missing entirely. I hope in the future if someone were to redo this classic tale of good versus, and evil then at least get someone who knows the real story not just some skip reader. If I were to finance this film… then it would be Peter Jackson who should take the directing lead or at least James Cameron. Both know the scoped vision on how to create a grandiose movie in its entirety such as this fan favorite.
Yesterday’s New York Post tipped me to another potential bomb: TWC’s “Tulip Fever”, a movie that had been sitting on the shelves for three years and is only coming out Labor Day weekend…Judging by its “red band” trailer, it looks to be yet another conventional sex-fest, only set in 17th century Holland. There seems to be bad buzz about this film; what do you think?
Unless it has some Oscar buzz around it, there’s no way it will make back its money. It cost $25 million to make and it’s being released on Labor Day weekend, which is historically one of the worst weekends at the box office. Also, Birth of the Dragon will probably end up on this list unless it makes a lot of money overseas. I found a Variety article stating that it cost $31 million to produce. That’s just production costs, I don’t have the P&A numbers but I imagine they are on the lower side considering the film opened in under 2,000 theaters.
Birth of the Dragon won’t lose very much money for the distributors, since they bought it for cheap and have very targeted advertising. It’s more meant for promotion for a VOD release anyways.
It won’t lose money for the distributors, but it might lose money for the production company, though. Even though it’s flopping in the U.S., I could see Birth of the Dragon doing really well in China considering the movie is about Bruce Lee and it’s a kung fu movie.
Bob Kneesays
Unfortunately, Logan Lucky looks like it might be on the list. May be too early to tell, but it’s definitely one to watch. Shame too, it was pretty good.
It still has many countries left to expand to but I won’t be shocked if it does make the list. I think Logan Lucky fell victim to bad timing. Releasing the same weekend as The Hitman’s Bodyguard was not a smart move since they both arguably targeted similar audiences. Had it been released later in the year, maybe it could have been a different story.
I thought it ended weeks ago.
According to Box Office Mojo, it got a puny $4,656 (76th) for a total of $20,738,724 domestically, and $18,144,385 for a total of $38,883,109. It cost $22 million to make but I can’t find anything on the advertising costs. May have just got back some money, like Norm in the North.
I think we can all agree that Valerian deserves a page at this point. The cost of making the movie and the advertising spend could have been as much as $400 million, but in America it finished 8th in the box office in only its second week. It has a global box office return of $90 million, which doesn’t even cover the cost to make the movie, let alone the advertising spend.
It looks like its toast, but just waiting on the China numbers. It’s a market I’m completely out of tune with and can never predict what will play favorably or not.
It also has the worst opening for a film opening in 4,000 theatres. It was released in so many because, until recently, the US distributor (Open Road Films) was a joint venture between the two biggest American cinema chains, Regal and AMC.
I’m calling it now. Annabelle 2 is gonna be a massive hit. It has gotten solid reviews, it’s only cost 1.1 million to make, and fans for the Conjuring franchise are a very loyal base.
Besson has had big budget disasters before, like the $99m Arthur 3 which lost over $25m and made no fiscal sense for even being made. EuropaCorp is his studio, has a gazillion global investors and it’s hard to imagine his own board not approving a big budget for any of his movies. Maybe if there’s a shareholder revolt…
Kind of a shame, too. I just saw it yesterday, and while it wasn’t great, I still had a fun time watching it. Looked great in 3D, and had a ton of creativity and charm with the world of Alpha.
Tristan Michelssays
I agree with you. Same here. Not great, but I still enjoyed it, and it looked excellent in 3D.
Tristan Michelssays
GET READY TO PUT ”The Emoji Movie” ON THIS LIST! IT’S GETTING EXTREMELY ABYSMAL REVIEWS(even worse than even ”Norm of The North”), WITH A 0 PERCENT ON ROTTEN TOMATOES AND AN 8 OUT OF 100(I’m not even kidding) ON METACRITIC. AND THE FACT THAT IT WILL BE RELEASED IN MORE THAN 4,000 THEATERS JUST MAKES ME WISH.
And worst of all is that I’M GOING TO SEE THIS ABOMINATION ABOUT A WEEK AFTER IT COMES OUT! AND I’M GOING TO GIVE IT A BIG 0/10! MAYBE EVEN A 0/100000000!
Dylan Wsays
Why are you even checking out that garbage in theaters? Even that Halle Berry Taken ripoff movie Kidnap looks better than The Emoji Movie. At least I could picture Kidnap being laughably bad, but The Emoji Movie just makes me lose hope.
Tristan Michelssays
I’m seeing it no matter what, even though I know it’s going to be an abysmal film. And also, I saw the film’s only positive review today. Common Sense Media (sort of) liked it, and gave it a 3/5, WHICH IS TOO EXCELLENT FOR A FILM LIKE THIS! But that’s coming from the same site who didn’t care about films like ”Dunkirk” ”Interstellar”, and ”Baby Driver”(”Dunkirk” is a incredible film, ”Interstellar” is a great film, and though I haven’t seen ”Baby Driver”, I imagine it would be great too.)It still has a 0% on Rotten Tomatoes. It now has a 9/100 on Metacritic, which is a tiny improvement, but it is still very abysmal. But for ”Kidnap”, that film looks like it was made 5 years ago, and it was supposed to be released 1-2 years ago. Why.
Dylan Wsays
I can tell you why Kidnap has been delayed so many times. The original distributor, Relativity Media, went through Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2015. Kidnap was filmed in 2014 and was originally supposed to be released on October 9. 2015 but got pushed back 4 times and was even removed from the release schedule at one point but it’s finally coming out next weekend from a new distributor, Aviron Pictures, and it is their first film as a distributor.
Dylan Wsays
I think the only reason why The Emoji Movie is going to make money this weekend is because the last animated movie that was released in theaters was Despicable Me 3 and that was about a month ago. Also, keep in mind that kids are still out of school.
Tristan Michelssays
That’s exactly what I thought, too.
Tristan Michelssays
I saw ”The Emoji Movie” today. Wow, what an abysmal film it was. Not only did it have all of the bad things I talked about, but I found out one thing. It’s one of the most mean spirited films I have ever seen. Never I had ever ran out of the theater(I didn’t do that with ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”, and thankfully I didn’t see ”Norm Of The North” in theaters)until this film at the end, and that’s what I did with this film. This was THE WORST FILM OF 2017. I had to survive 86 DREADFUL MINUTES of my biggest survival movie round EVER. I will say it again, the animation of the humans do look nice, and at least the films message(Be Yourself) is very beautiful, but put that in an abysmal movie and you have a disaster waiting to happen. Really, Sony? I would never THINK to see a film of this abysmal quality ever, ever, ever again. If ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” was the ”Nine Lives”(my second worst film of 2016, also an abysmal 0/10 film) of 2017, than this film would easily be the ”Norm Of The North” of 2017. Wow. Just wow.
Tristan Michelssays
Plus, prepare for the review I’m preparing on Word! GET READY!
Trexsays
Baywatch closed at $170,761,372 on a 69 million budget
Haven’t had a blue ray release yet. Did it make enough?
It usually takes 3 months for movies that were released theatrically to go to DVD, Blu-Ray, and streaming services. Baywatch came out on May 25 and it will be released to streaming on August 15 and DVD and Blu-Ray on August 29. Also, Baywatch did make a profit.
Never mind, then. ”Baywatch” did decent in the box office, especially since it was the overseas(Yay, German David Hasselhoff fans) market that saved the film from being a total flop. It was only a few million dollars away from making it’s break even point of 210 million dollars, even if it didn’t quite make it. Yeah, sure, it got awful reviews from critics and audiences and was a flop in the USA, but thanks to overseas, it made a lot more money than I expected, so it won’t end up on this list, no matter how much I wanted to. ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” has made about 37 million dollars worldwide, which is a little better than I expected, but it’s still terrible. I think it’s ready for this list.
Fernando Garciasays
$210 million? Why that high?
Tristan Michelssays
Well, because, 3 times budget= break even.
Trexsays
Baywatch is still racking up money overseas. It’s now at 176 million
Tristan Michelssays
That’s good.
Joe Mayessays
Woah. Calm down. First of all, the Emoji movie is (sadly) doing okay at the box office in terms of opening. It opened to $10 million and reached number one at the box office. I know that doesn’t sound a lot, but this is on a $50 million budget, so that means the film has already reached 1/5 of it’s budget (not accounting for advertising). Also, it’s WAY too early to tell if it’s going to do well. Yes the reviews are an incredibly obvious omen and a significant blow to this “film,” but also account parents who ignore
Critical reviews and people who want to see the film out of irony. This “film” could bank on that to survive. I’m not trying to rain on your parade; I hate the sight of this film, too. It reeks of soullessness, poor decision-making, and worst of all, laziness. And I, too, want to see this bomb so that no other studio would go so low in the sacrifice of artistic integrity. I’m just offering a perspective on this Hollow coffin to creativity.
As for the Dark Tower, again, it’s way too early to tell if it’ll bomb.
The reviews for ”The Dark Tower” came out, and they are… bad. Not ”The Emoji Movie” bad, but just plain bad. An 20% on Rotten Tomatoes and a 39% on Metacritic is enough to make Stephen King fans angry, but the things that I talked about(like the film’s 95 minute running time and the PG-13 rating) could be the reason why the critics didn’t care about it, but the confusing story could be why it’s not getting good reviews. But compared to films like ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” and especially ”The Emoji Movie”, the film looks much better in comparison, but for the amount of bad films I saw this year, I’m not even going to waste my time. I’m sorry, but it’s true. Yeah, sure, the film is expected to make a decent 25-30 million dollars in the box office on it’s opening weekend, and might even top the box office as well, but still.
I think there are 2 kinds of people who are seeing The Emoji Movie: families desperate to see an animated movie (keep in mind, there hasn’t been a new one in theaters since Despicable Me 3 a month ago) and people who are watching it ironically (even though I hear it’s too boring to warrant that audience).
Movie makers get roughly 55% of the box office. A 20 million budget would need over 40 mil to just break even. The cheap horror flicks that make 100 mil on a 3 mil budget, make tons more than a lot of so called blockbusters that cost 200 mil+.Look at the latest transformers movie. Pulled in tons of cash, but cost tons of cash. Studios need to stop making expensive movies like valerian. Man that is going to lose 150 mil+.
The advantage of Valerian is that the movie got resources for its budget like an independent movie,due to huge pre sales and taxes. We could say its the most expensive independent movie ever. So,even if the movie bombs in USA, Luc Besson and his studio dont have much to lose, in fact, the movie could do much less than its budget and STILL manage make revenue.
I disagree with that point of view. I want bad movies to do bad, I dont just desire a movie that is big but fairly decent to do bad. Like,Im happy for the flop of Monster Trucks,but the flop of Star Trek Beyond made me sad. That doesnt help the industry. Especially a movie like Valeriam that is a “new” IP. Cinema needs new franchises outside Marvel/DC.
I agree with you, too. I want bad movies to do bad, while I want good movies to do good. Remember ”Blade Runner 2049”? That film DID NOT deserve to become the box office flop it was. Same with ”Star Trek: Beyond” and ”Kubo and the Two Strings”, too. They deserved to do good.
Tristan Michelssays
But it hasn’t even come out in most overseas territories yet! Why?
Hollywood getting involved in politics hurts their industry. Instead of staying neutral and enjoying the patronage of both ideologies, they alienate a very large portion of their potential audience.
Wahlberg and Washington seem to be the ones intelligent enough to realize this. Maybe that’s why they are mega stars
Some of Wahlberg’s last movies were about a terrorist attack, an oil spill, soldiers in Iraq and the toxic nature of the American Dream, while Denzel has played Steve Biko, a football coach during desegregation, a professor of a black college during Jim Crow, a wrongfully imprisoned boxer and Malcolm X. Them being entirely apolitical is dishonest at best.
Cars 3 is coming out today here in the UK. I’m sure it will do well and I don’t think it will do a “Good Dinosaur” – that is flop.
Also, about the Emoji Movie – there has been a lot of hate attached to this movie. Same with “Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” and “Ghostbusters (2016)”. Both flopped. Yes, emojis do have commercial appeal – I’m just saying.
By the way, according to Box Office Mojo, “Long Haul” got $20 million in the US box office – pretty terrible, considering that, for example, “Guardians of the Galaxy 2” got over $380 million in the US alone. So where’s the page for “Long Haul”? You’ve already done “House”.
Oh, and for some odd reason, ”The Emoji Movie” is expected to end it’s run with at least 100 million dollars in the USA. THAT’S WAY TOO GOOD FOR A FILM LIKE THAT! WHY?
That’s not a knock on Sausage Party, is it? I like that movie.
Keith Johnsonsays
No. I liked it too.
Wayne Turnersays
Terrible sequels from The Emoji movie ๐
Tristan Michelssays
I have really high hopes for ”Spider-Man: Homecoming”, ”War For The Planet of the Apes”, and ”Dunkirk”. ”Valerian and the City Of A Thousand Planets” looks fantastic visually, but I heard it will make about 20 million dollars on it’s opening weekend, which is not very good for a film that cost 220 MILLION DOLLARS TO MAKE!
Just kidding. The budget really is 180 million US dollars. The reviews are starting to come out, and while they are respectable so far, having a 73 percent on Rotten Tomatoes, there is a question. Are good reviews enough to make a movie successful?
Slyfox1says
And the answer is…not really. Many critical darlings have floundered at the box office. Though Valerian may have more mass appeal than some of those critically lauded films. Only time will tell.
Tristan Michelssays
But by the way, ”Dunkirk” is getting incredible reviews from critics so far, with a 98 percent on Rotten Tomatoes and a 97 out of 100 on Metacritic, but I feel that the film’s 45-50 million dollar opening weekend predictions are too low. I expect the film to open with at least 80 million dollars or maybe even 100 million dollars, and to be honest, since the film doesn’t have much CGI as films like ”Inception” and ”Interstellar”(which were both by Christopher Nolan, who directed all 3 films), I’m expecting the budget to be at least 125-150 million dollars because of this. Still really looking forward to it.
ASBsays
My prediction is way off! Dunkirk got 95% while Valerian got 72%.
Who do you think is going to dethrone Apes at the BO#1- Valerian or Dunkirk?
Dylan Wsays
Dunkirk, no question. I want to see both Dunkirk and Valerian though. I hear from many people that Valerian looks spectacular in 3D.
Tristan Michelssays
It bombed in the USA. Now has a 52% on Rotten Tomatoes. No way it’s going to make its 210 million dollar budget back in the USA, but I do have hope for overseas. Still going to see it, and in fact, I’m seeing it in 3D. Heard the 3D was one of the best things about the film.
Tristan Michelssays
I saw ”Dunkirk” twice. One time in regular 2D, and one time in IMAX(It wasn’t IMAX 70mm, which I heard was the best way to see the film, but it was Laser IMAX. It still rocked though.) Incredible film both times, but it was better in IMAX, because it was filmed with IMAX cameras, making you see more of what’s going on. Sound rocked as well. Super loud, but worth it. Christopher Nolan, you rock, and unlike a certain director named Michael Bay, you know how to make a big budget film that knows what it wants to do, and become a classic. It’s my favorite film of 2017 so far, but until ”Star Wars: The Last Jedi” comes out. That film is going to blow ”Dunkirk” out of the gate.
As for ”Valerian And The City Of A Thousand Planets”, it’s a decent film, and better than what most critics gave it. It’s an incredible film to look at visually. Industrial Light And Magic and Weta Digital should be very proud of themselves for making such a beautifully looking film. It’s easily a fantastic 2 hours and 20 minutes worth of eye candy, and in 3D(which was the version I saw), it looks even more fantastic. Sure, the story is not good, and just like many of Luc Besson’s recent films, it goes for a more style over substance(or visuals over story) route,
Sean McGinnissays
Looking at Inception and Interstellar’s openings, I doubt Dunkirk will reach that high.
Nolan’s only films that grossed $100+ Million are The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises. Both of which probably made so much due to the praise from Batman Begins, and the recognition the Batman franchise has. Dunkirk, being it’s own film, and a war film on top of that, lacks at least the latter advantage.
I still stand by my $40-45 Million prediction, but I think a $50-60 Million opening would be more likely, due to the positive buzz.
But hey, to each his own.
Sean McGinnissays
Anyway, hope you enjoy the film! I’m planning on seeing it this weekend with family, in 70MM IMAX just to get the full experience.
Tristan Michelssays
Not true, actually. Turns out that the real budget for ”Valerian and The City Of A Thousand Planets” is a MASSIVE 210 MILLION US DOLLARS! GOOD LUCK MAKING THAT IN THE USA!
Sean McGinnissays
I have the feeling that with good word-of-mouth and reviews, Valerian might over perform significantly; there’s already plenty of positive buzz on social media to boot.
I could be wrong though, Dunkirk has Christopher Nolan to sell it.
I think it could do well, if it didn’t have to compete with 3 BLOCKBUSTERS! (”Spider-Man: Homecoming”, ”War For The Planet Of The Apes”, and ”Dunkirk”.)
Dunkirk and Apes will certainly take a bite out of Valerian’s chances, but maybe it could outclass Spider-Man (by then, it’ll be two weeks after release).
I dunno, maybe I’m stretching it a bit too far.
Tristan Michelssays
Well, maybe. I’m very sure ”Spider-Man: Homecoming” could have the same long legs ”Wonder Woman” had. As for the other 2 films, I’m expecting good things from them as well.
ASBsays
My prediction is way off! Dunkirk got 95% while Valerian got 72%.
Who do you think is going to dethrone Apes at the BO#1..
Valerian or Dunkirk?
Sean McGinnissays
Dunkirk, for sure. I just hope that Valerian does okay, at least for Luc Besson’s sake.
ASBsays
Dunkirk got 95% while Valerian got 72%.
Who do you think is going to dethrone Apes at the BO#1…
Valerian or Dunkirk?
It will most likely bomb domestically (hoping that it opens higher than the predictions say), but it might be saved overseas.
After all, it has been approved for a Chinese release (they love spectacle), and I think Valerian and Laureline still has a following in Europe (specifically France).
My prediction is way off! Dunkirk got 95% while Valerian got 72%.
Who do you think is going to dethrone Apes at the BO#1…
Valerian or Dunkirk?
Dylan Wsays
Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul, All Eyez On Me, The Lost City of Z, and The Zookeeper’s Wife should have pages added on here. If the numbers don’t improve for Cars 3 (it just now cleared its production budget after 2.5 weeks), it may need a page added as well.
Well, ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”, ”The Lost City of Z”(despite getting great reviews from critics), and ”The Zookeeper’s Wife” should be on here. As for ”All Eyez On Me”, I’m still not sure yet.
To break even, All Eyez On Me would need to make about (give or take) $80 million. After being out for a month, it’s only made $54 million worldwide. The box office was boding well when it overperformed on its opening weekend with $26 million but it dropped off hard the next weekend in the U.S. (the place where most of its money was going to be made anyway). I mean a 78% second weekend drop is pretty damning and it hasn’t improved ever since. The international BO wasn’t going to help out either so it’s pretty safe to call All Eyez On Me a flop at this point.
That’s not how it works. A film needs to make at least 3 times it’s budget to break even or become a success. As for ”All Eyez On Me”, it did well on it’s opening weekend, but floundered on it’s second weekend and hasn’t improved. I think it could be on this list if it doesn’t get better, which would very likely happen.
Dylan Wsays
I don’t know where you got that “at least 3 times its budget to break even or become a success” info from because in reality, it depends on a movie to movie basis. For example, Luc Besson recently announced that for Valerian to break even and justify a sequel, it would have to make at least $350 million worldwide. Keep in mind that the budget for Valerian is $180 million and break even point of $350 million is just shy of twice the budget.
Trexsays
He assumed it, or read it somewhere. I was always told twice it’s budget but if domestically takes a dive then a film could lose a lot more
Tristan Michelssays
Again, that’s not how it works. The final budget for ”Valerian and The City of A Thousand Planets” is a WHOPPING 210 million US dollars! It actually needs to make at least 630 million dollars to break even, and good luck making that if it doesn’t do well overseas!(and I say overseas, because I know the film won’t do well in the USA)
Tristan Michelssays
I’m sad to say it, but despite excellent reviews from critics and audiences, and a decent start at the box office, if ”War For The Planet Of THE Apes” keeps dropping in the box office (it jumped from number 1 to number 4) last weekend, it’s going to be sadly on this list.
Tristan Michelssays
Nope, ”War For The Planet Of The Apes” did very good at the box office, making almost 500 million dollars(490 million dollars to be exact) worldwide on a 150 million dollar budget. No way it will be on this list now.(BY THE WAY, IT’S ONE OF THE BEST FILMS OF 2017!!!!!!!)
Keith Johnsonsays
2017 seems to be shaping up to be the year of franchise fatigue. Other than the superhero movies and Furious 8, pretty much every sequel is underperforming compared to its predecessors. Smurfs, Underworld, Resident Evil, xXx (although a huge gap between films probably didn’t help), even juggernaut franchises like Transformers, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Cars aren’t doing as well as the previous films. Even Despicable Me 3 had a lower opening weekend than 2 and Minions.
And on top of that, “Cinematic Universes” aren’t doing quite as hot as expected either – Kong lagged behind Godzilla, The Mummy pretty certainly underperformed expectations for a franchise, Alien: Covenant barely made it to profitability.
Hollywood would rather destroy all classics and new topics than hire
starving writers who can write original stories and scripts. I cannot
recall any recent movie which I felt like watching again, one after
another pointless garbage.
Hollywood would rather destroy all classics and new topics than hire starving writers who can write original stores and scripts. I cannot recall any recent movie which I felt like watching again, one after another pointless garbage.
”Wonder Woman”(saw it already, and it was incredible) YES!
”The Mummy” NO!
”Cars 3”(didn’t see that one, but heard respectable things about it) Maybe…
”Transformers: The Last Knight”(saw that one, and it was really terrible) NO!
”Baby Driver”(not going to see it because it’s rated R, but looks great) YES!
”Despicable Me 3”(getting above average reviews so far, with a 65 percent on Rotten Tomatoes, still looking forward to it) YES!
”Spider-Man: Homecoming” YES!
”War For The Planet Of The Apes” YES!
”Dunkirk” YES!
”Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets” Maybe…
”The Emoji Movie” ABSOLUTELY NO!
”The Dark Tower” Maybe…
A moment to rejoice! After a long time the critics are totally in sync with me. Yesterday, I was watching Enemy and 10 days ago I was watching Transformers 5, and both of them sucked badly! But today, I found something refreshing. This is the best Spider-man movie ever made!
It may have taken 15 years, 6 movies, 3 different lead actors, 2 reboots but Spidey finally has shown redemption.
Sony’s Spider reboot in 2014 was a disaster. From the villain to 3D, every element sucked. This new reboot places the media- hyped and over-rated “The Amazing Spider-Man” franchise into the hall of shame.
Spiderman is just a teenage boy..but Tony Stark can convince any one. Even us. In the trailer, he mentions “If you are nothing with the suit, you don’t deserve it!” The question is: Can Spider-man carry it’s own weight in the near future without Iron-man? I mean that he was also utilized in Captain America: Civil War.
Hats off to Michael Keaton from his transition to Batman to Vulture. The best villain after Doc Oct (2004). He also highlights today’s situation that since the world has change, so should we.
Tristan Michelssays
I totally agree with that. Thanks.
ASBsays
I hope that there is no DM-4
Tristan Michelssays
Looks like you hate the ”Despicable Me” franchise. I still enjoy those films. We all have different opinions.
John Hooyersays
I’m going to see “Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets” because it’s Luc Besson’s passion project, and his passion sells it for me…and it’s going to flop so spectacularly, that this is basically going to be the last chance that I’m going to get to see him ever work with a large budget, ever again. I might as well do what I can to cut the poor fellow’s losses.
I might see Valerian when it comes out, too. I liked what I saw of The Fifth Element, and this film gave me more interest than Dunkirk (I’d probably catch that later due to 70MM IMAX). I don’t want it to flop either, despite that being inevitable.
In fact, I heard ”The Dark Tower” might be rated R too. Hope it’s PG-13.
Tristan Michelssays
To be honest, I found out that ”The Dark Tower” is very likely going to get a PG-13 rating, seeing how Sony is marketing the film to young adults. But the problem is, get this… the running time. The film has a confirmed running time of 95 minutes, which is too short for a film like this. If the film doesn’t do well because of this, it’s plan for a franchise could be very well canceled.
Tristan Michelssays
”The Dark Tower” got it’s MPAA rating today. It got a PG-13 rating, which was what I expected, but that’s something I have very mixed feelings about. I understand that Sony wants to target the film to a teen audience, but come on! Was that the reason why ”Ghost in The Shell” became a huge flop earlier this year? Most of the films based off Stephen King’s work have gotten an R rating, and I thought that this film was going to get that rating too, but NAH! I still might see it, but if the reviews aren’t good(I’m expecting them to be either in the middle, or fairly positive, like a 65-70 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Maybe an 80 percent on Rotten Tomatoes if it’s lucky.) , NO WAY!
nolive2020says
I’m genuinely curious, but do you have those parents that are super-anal about ratings? You have the internet, nothing’s stopping you from seeing it one way or another.
Yeah… Struggled to make even 10 million dollars… for a film that cost 90-100 million dollars to make! That’s too bad, because the reviews, while very mixed, weren’t terrible. On the other hand, though, I heard the film wasn’t made to make money, it was made for those who wanted to learn about the American Genocide. Just what point does that make?
Sans Rock Dog and (sadly) Power Rangers, I think Lionsgate is having a great year. Not Disney or Universal level, but better than most (Sony and Paramount in particular).
La La Land tagged with Hidden Figures to dominate January, and John Wick 2 did pretty well. I expect good things from The Hitman’s Bodyguard and MLP: The Movie. All Eyes on Me might falter though, thanks to the 70% drop on it’s second weekend.
So I ask, what do you think? Are they getting more momentum as a studio in terms of popularity?
And to tie this to my last question, do you guys think Paramount will cut back or be sold by the end of the year? They haven’t had any real success this year, especially with a string of flops and disappointments (Ghost in the Shell, Monster Trucks, Rings, Baywatch, and possibly The Last Knight). At least Sony has Spider-Man, Smurfs, Baby Driver, and Blade Runner 2049 (with WB) to fall back on.
Yeah, it’s only been out for a week, but word of mouth isn’t very good at all, even in China (check out Douban). It’s probably gonna drop fast and hard.
Michaelsays
Word of mouth didn’t stop World War Z. I saw Transformers 5, it was long, confusing at times but had a lot of action and the ending gave me goosebumps. I enjoyed it. I’m not over analyze a Transformers movie, it’s support to be fun and entertainment. The movie I think will definitely tank is this Baby Driver. Who in there right mind thought this was a good idea movie to make??!!
Sean McGinnissays
Glad you got something out of it.
By the way, what makes you think Baby Driver will turn out bad? Edgar Wright has a pretty good track record.
Michaelsays
Trailers are the selling point. That Baby Driver trailer did not hit the mark of “Oh I got to see this.” To me it was like “Rolling my eyes” at trailer. The movie is advertising people’s reactions of did you like it or hate it. That’s not a good sign.
Bob Kneesays
Watch international trailers for it. Much better.
ASBsays
Let me over-analyze it for you!
Lets start with each installment:
The first movie was the best. a Master-piece. 10/10
Transformers:RoTF-
At least the Original was dumb fun in a way, ROTF was crap in all
directions! 3/10
Transformers:DOTM- second half similar to RoTF. A slight improvement. 6/10
Transformers:AoE- was sentimental. People/friends told me NOT to watch
plus the 19โ RT reviews makes it worse! To my surprise, it is the true
sequel to the original! I think they have improved the cast, bringing
in Wahlberg and Joyce in lieu of annoying Shia. Prime’s majestic voice
and his anger were the icing of the script! 8/10.
A week ago, I watched Transformers: The Last Knight and was
dissatisfied with the projector. It seemed dark and the picture images
were not that sharp as I have seen previously in IMAX with Laser.
SPOILERS:
Script: Staff instead of Cube. We have seen this “chosen one” a million
times.
Main Actor: Wahlberg was looking silly when Optimus Prime was fighting
with the Decepticons.
Side Actor: Hot as always. Hopkins was the saving grace, though we will
not see him again.
Verdict: Please stop and end the series. Otherwise, the next T-6 will
flop badly. The producers should opt for Animation Series.
Tristan Michelssays
You liked ”Transformers: Age Of Extinction”? Lucky. That was such a BORING FILM. Yeah. Really,
Tristan Michelssays
Actually, ”Transformers: The Last Knight” will end it’s worldwide run with at least 550-600 million dollars. That’s definitely very good money, but considering the billion dollars the last 2 films in the series made, and the huge budget(260 million dollars to make, plus an additional 150-170 million dollars for marketing(I think)), this could be a disappointment for Paramount.
Michaelsays
Well my prediction was 20 days ago. $500 million to $600 million is a pretty good take for the Transformers. Plus this is Michael Bay is last Transformers and I think a new direction in sequels will help the franchise go forward. Transformers 6 and the Bumblebee prequel are next ones going forward.
Tristan Michelssays
And don’t forget about Universal! ”The Fate Of The Furious” broke the record for having the biggest worldwide opening weekend ever, with more than 540 million dollars worldwide, and making more than 1.2 billion dollars worldwide, ”Despicable Me 3” is doing excellent in the box office, making more than 920 million dollars worldwide, which is stunning, considering that the budget was only 80 million dollars, and ”The Mummy” made a very respectable 405 million dollars worldwide! They are having a great year!
Yeah, Lionsgate is trying to get their next big animated franchise ready. They tried that with ”Norm of The North” last year, and it really failed miserably, both with critics, who really gave it abysmal reviews, and at the box office. I’m expecting at least better things from this film, but not quite. The reason? Not a huge ”My Little Pony” fan.
Oh how I wish Transformers 5 was on that list. It won’t and it will probably be Paramount’s biggest movie this year. I respect if you enjoy that franchise, but if you are one of those people who keep criticizing new blockbuster movies saying that they all look the same and yet keep running to see every single new Transformer movie, you have no right to complain.
A lot of articles say that for Chinese audiences, explosions and destruction require no translation, which is why they claim these movies do well in China. The number of foreign movies that get into China are state approved, and the ones that do get approved are often dumb movies like Transformers 5. Remember, China is not a free country, and a lot of the people don’t have a lot of choices. Meanwhile, America is a free country, and has been for 241 years. America is a democracy, and China is a Communist state. If a lot of the people in China don’t have a lot of choices, then I assume that sometimes, dumb movies like Transformers 5 act as their only entertainment. Warcraft last year flopped in the states but succeeded in China, and this was not the first movie to do this and certainly not the last, as long as China remains a Communist country.
Something so dull as The Last Knight actually makes me commend Paramount for making Ghost in the Shell. It wasn’t great, especially compared to its source material, but it certainly was different in style and tone. If the script was a little less predictable and on-the-nose, we could’ve had something special.
My Little Pony: The Movie hasn’t even come out yet. Trailer for the movie drops soon, but Hasbro’s other property, Transformers, has the fifth installment get a 16% on Rotten Tomatoes and it’s still critic proof? I quit the Transformers franchise after the second one, and I’ve never returned. Those movies are big, dumb, and loud.
I’m fairly certain MLP will get better reviews (exactly how high it will rank on the Tomatometer is a bit of a toss up, but I’d expect somewhere in the 60% range), though sadly it probably won’t make near as much as any Transformers movie.
My response to that is this. If you care about 2D animation, love 2D animated features like Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King, and want to see more of those kinds of films on the big screen or even big streaming Netflix releases, go see this movie.
I won’t. We need movies like this with uplifting, positive vibes, heroes that you can really root for, and a plot that is absolutely free of political junk, SJWs, and liberal hate for anyone that is a Christian. No animated movie should be socialist propaganda. Thanks to the peeling back of the dark side of Democrats, I hate Zootopia.
Jordan Newell Whitesays
We need heroes and villains, no anti-heroes. We need marriage between a man and a woman. We need America portrayed as an excellent country, not a dump heap. We need to go back to the kind of stories that Rankin Bass and classic Disney during Walt told.
Jordan Newell Whitesays
I will not have any more of this world-ending nonsense. God holds the universe in His hand, and He knows when the world will end, not us.
Tristan Michelssays
I’m expecting ”My Little Pony: The Movie” to get at least a 50% rotten or maybe a 60% fresh on Rotten Tomatoes if it’s lucky. Still not looking forward to seeing it.
Just because, not a fan of ”My Little Pony”. I’ve never watched the show, though I am aware of it’s fan base.
Tristan Michelssays
I’m seeing ”Transformers: The Last Knight” today, and is it going to be terrible? OF COURSE IT IS! But even though the film got near-abysmal reviews from critics(I’m really going to rip this film apart in my review), and is doing very mediocre in the USA, making an estimated 45 million dollars on its 3-day opening weekend(I think), the film however, WILL DO EXCELLENT OVERSEAS. THE FILM IS EXPECTED TO MAKE AT LEAST A TOTAL OF 400 MILLION DOLLARS IN CHINA ALONE, AND SHOULD HAVE IT’S WORLDWIDE RUN END WITH AT LEAST 930 MILLION-1 BILLION DOLLARS WORLDWIDE. So at least Paramount is going to make a TON OF MONEY ON THAT ONE.
Actually, not really for ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”. I heard the film will be released direct to DVD overseas, and for the rest of the overseas territory, it is doing even worse than the USA, making a paltry 9 million dollars. As for ”Baywatch” though, it could still be saved, and eventually do well.
They should have just released Wimpy Kid direct to DVD altogether. That will probably be the case for future installments(if any)
Tristan Michelssays
Agreed. I’m very sure Fox decided to split this film’s 25 million dollar budget in 3 ways: 10 million dollars to film the movie(including 5 million dollars for CGI), an additional 10 million dollars for marketing, and 5 million dollars just for them to sit on. Not to mention that this film needed to make 75 million dollars to break even, but it’s impossible now. With the film leaving theaters faster and faster, and not to mention that the film is going to end with at least 35 million dollars worldwide, Fox has had a huge flop in their hands. This film easily should have been a direct to DVD release, and if the film doesn’t do well on DVD and Blu-Ray, which probably will happen, the ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid” films are no more.
ASBsays
Among these flops, which one has an entirely different script? For example, I loved the The Great Wall!
Yeah, I kind of agree, though to a lesser extent. I thought that the script was kind of poor, but the production and costume design, visual effects, and action scenes were all fantastic. Sure, I do know that it got mixed reviews from critics and audiences, and while it made a respectable 330 million dollars worldwide, the film has the record of being the most expensive Chinese film ever, with a budget of 150 million US dollars, it didn’t break even, which was a shame.
TOM CRUISE, THAT’S WHY! It made more than 400 million dollars worldwide on a 125 million dollar budget, and that’s still very good! Why is it going to lose 95-100 million dollars for Universal?
Not only that, but watch Universal scrap that entire planned Dark Universe after this. Javier Bardem and Johnny Depp would be wise to jump ship if they can, the ship’s about to get torpedoed.
What other movies have flopped so far? What about last month? Will there be any this month? It’s as if Netflix and Amazon are providing better entertainment than the cinema. Two movies coming out on Netflix are Ojka and Bright. One movie coming out from Amazon is Wonderstruck.
The $45 Million Tupac Shakur biography “All Eyez On Me” is getting mostly negative reviews. It’s projected to have a $17 to $20 Million opening weekend but I wouldn’t be surprised if negative word of mouth means it fails to break $17 Million. We’ll see soon enough. By contrast, the 2015 $28 Million “Straight Outta Compton” had mostly positive reviews and very good word of mouth. It finished $201 Million worldwide in its run.
It was frontloaded, but still managed to make $27 million. Above estimates and probably going to make it to profitability.
Tristan Michelssays
Yeah. Still decent.
Iansays
It over-performed with $27 million through its opening weekend according to Box Office Mojo. But it disappointed in its second weekend. It’s currently at $38 million since June 16 which is below its reported budget. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4301&p=.htm
Tristan Michelssays
So that means its not good now.
Jordan Newell Whitesays
Do I live in a happy shiny world where MLP: The Movie makes big bucks at the box office and Disney, in response, makes 2D animated films again? No, it doesn’t work that way. People like Netflix and Amazon appear to be crafting the future of Hollywood. MLP: The Movie will make money, yet Netflix and Amazon will pick up the animated films too risky for cinemas so that they can succeed. GKids picks up Asian and European 2D features for US distribution, so of course they’re helping to shift the paradigm of how animation gets distributed.
Well, I’m more worried that I go Thursday night on October 5 and there’s no one in the theater except me and my friends. I’ll take a wait and see approach. I guess I’m worried that it won’t be good, like a Rotten Tomatoes Rotten rating. Disney and Pixar can make 3D animated films all they want, but I believe it is up to smaller independent production companies to make 2D animated films with today’s modern computer tools. Keep in mind though that even 3D animated films can flop too. Two examples are Delgo, which is regarded as a huge bomb, and both Strange Magic and Pixar’s own The Good Dinosaur, which are listed on this website. The Good Dinosaur wasn’t a spectacular flop, but it didn’t do as well as Pixar hoped.
This is the first 2D animated feature on this scale since The Princess and the Frog, and that was 8 years ago. If you love films like Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King, and you want more films like those, go see this movie and fill in those seats. Come on, 2D animation looks gorgeous. I believe the characters look cuter when they are 2D animated. 2D animation can now be done with computers, and computer animation does not always have to look like a 3D video game, it can do anything and look like anything. Don’t associate 2D with antiquated or outdated. I grew up with 2D animation, as a millennial. It’s time we give a new generation a chance to grow up with 2D animation themselves.
Sean McGinnissays
Agreed. I don’t mind CGI, but 2D Animation will always be a favorite of mine.
Also, I don’t understand why some believe that MLP will fail. Friendship is Magic (the movie’s basis for tye franchise) has a huge fan base, I bet it’ll do very well. Probably even more so if WOM is good.
Sean McGinnissays
Reviews are coming out for The Mummy, and they’re not very good. Witness another box office failure for Universal to kick off the Dark Universe.
Might break even depending on how it does internationally (Germany, China, and others haven’t been released yet). The draw (financially) for a comedy is usually it’s budget is small by comparison to bigger summer movies. Baywatch with $70mil + marketing (maybe 30 – 50 mil?) means it doesn’t have a high bar to reach, though even then it’s questionable if it’ll reach it at all – Currently at $71 mil global with maybe two weeks left in American theaters, might crawl to $100 mil global at end of it’s run?
Speaking of Not-flops, is Pirates 5 finally going to be lackluster enough to kill the franchise? It’s heading to breakeven on weekend 2, but the competition looks to be pretty stiff so it might only have legs to equal Black Pearl financially.
Since it’s the end of May, what other movies flopped in May? Like which ones qualify so far, determining worldwide gross vs. production and marketing budget combined?
The circle had an $18 mil budget and is at $20 mil gross domestic. With marketing (3-5 mil?) maybe? and incomplete foreign release (currently at roughly $5 mil foreign)… seems like that one might be profitable when you count digital / dvd releases and such (even if only slightly).
Hollywood just can’t figure it out that they need to STOP PISSING OFF those who pay their salaries! We don’t pay to hear their politics.. We pay for entertainment! And they’re not very entertaining now….
This Summer isn’t opening up too good. King Arthur floundered on impact, Alien: Covenant suffered a steep 70.9% drop this weekend, and both Pirates 5 and Baywatch underperformed. Only GOTG Vol. 2 is doing well so far, depsite not meeting expectations on opening weekend.
Here’s to hoping that Wonder Woman and Captain Underpants open June with a bang as opposed to a whimper, cause the investors are gonna need it.
Well add Baywatch to the list. It was a total failure. Not a surprise. Going up against Pirates 5 wasn’t a good idea. The trailer wasn’t very good. All it was based on was looks and no good storytelling. Plus I think the Rock got WAY TOO MUCH publicity and overexposure, that people probably got tired of him. That whole thinking about running for President probably also hurt the Rock, don’t throw politics into show business, usually doesn’t go well.
Despite the lack of hype for it, something in me originally thought Baywatch would at least do okay. Then the reviews came out, and that marked the film’s grave.
I didn’t even know about the Rock’s comments on Trump until recently. I don’t have much of an opinion on Trump, to be honest, but Hollywood’s forced talk on politics is getting annoying, and I believe the general public is getting sick of it, too. Like you said, He shouldn’t have made a political statement shortly before a big film releases. That’s bad news.
So yeah, Paramount’s probably going to have another terrible year, adding the financial bombs of Monster Trucks, XxX 3, and Ghost in the Shell.
xXx 3 wasn’t a financial bomb thanks to international numbers. Transformers 5 will probably make a billion dollars worldwide so that’s all that Paramount cares about for now. Other than Transformers 5, the rest of Paramount’s slate this year is on the smaller scale so I think the worst of the damage has already come.
euragonesays
Yeah.. Van Diesel stayed out of politics too! And Trump supporters are in full Boycott mode….
ramjosays
Don’t blame politics when the movie bombs. Regardless of one’s political views, a bad movie will not be saved by any A-list actors or good director.
Sean McGinnissays
Exactly. Just look at King Arthur.
Dylan Wsays
Baywatch could have a good hold since another comedy doesn’t come out until Rough Night. Also, keep in mind that it hasn’t been released in most countries yet.
Everything Everything has done all right considering its budget although its no Fault In Our Stars or Me Before You. Baywatch may do well overseas as the show is massive internationally
Hollywood has forgotten that only 60% of America is actually working..and voted for Trump and boycotting Hollywood! Theaters don’t take EBT and all those snowflakes are to busy SJWarrioring, Facebooking, Tweeting or rioting to even bother to take time to see a movie….
You can pencil in “The Circle” as a flop for 2017. It stars Emma Watson, Tom Hanks, John Boyega of Star Wars fame and is Bill Paxton’s final movie. Though it was probably pitched as the next “The Social Network”, it suffered from middling reviews and received almost no word of mouth.
Although it’s budget was only $18 Million after three weeks of wide release it has only grossed $20 Million. It opened in over 3,000 theaters but is currently listed 38th in Boxofficemojo’s list of worst openings among 3,000+ theatres at $2856 per theatre. By comparison, Monster Trucks is 66th at $3511 per theatre and Life is 106th at $3974 per theatre. It is on track to finish it’s theatrical gross below $25 Million. It’ll be out of theatres and on Netflix soon.
The only factor that prevents “The Cricle” from being a certain flop is that its studio and distributor spent little on producing or marketing it.
It grossed 20 million domestically. Overseas, it earned 6.5 million with a total of 26.5 million. Though the movie still have to be released in 4 countries Belgium, Australia, France and Germany, not sure if that will make a difference maybe add a couple of thousand or million to make it even. I saw the movie and it was not competitive for market viewing. The story left me confused.
If it manages to hold well in China, it very well could. And someone strangely added the uk date on imdb, but Life already opened there on the same day as the US release and tanked with only $2.5m
I doubt it. It’s doing well internationally and that’s where Prometheus made it’s money. At worst it’s going to be a mild disappointment and force bit more franchise retooling.
Well, it did take a 80% on it’s second Friday compared to first. So it probably won’t have good legs to do well domestically. But China is yet to open.
Francesco Falcianisays
it did take a -71…this week-end. it will end around 75m not a big deal but i wouldn’t call it a flop
It might hold well. Kid’s movies tend to have strong legs unless there’s a lot of competition. The biggest competition Wimpy Kid will face is Captain Underpants next week.
I kinda get the feeling that most of Wimpy Kid’s audience will leave for CU. I might be wrong, but this seems like a movie that’ll leave theaters fast.
Actually, ”Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie” didn’t do all that well on it’s opening weekend, making only 23 million dollars, DESPITE GETTING GOOD REVIEWS FROM CRITICS. Sure, I haven’t seen it, but the fact that the film got positive reviews from critics really surprised me, seeing that the trailer was fairly cringe worthy, and that I was very sure that it was going to be one of Dreamworks’ weakest films. But, the less I say about ”Wimpy Kid”, the better.
Tristan Michelssays
I saw ”Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie” today, and it was actually good! Agreed with critics on that film. 8/10. Don’t understand why it’s not doing that well in the box office… deserved to do better…
Tristan Michelssays
Actually.. I lied. ”Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie” wasn’t that good. I was expecting it to be one of Dreamworks Animation’s weakest films, and that was exactly what happened. 76 million dollars isn’t bad, but considering that the budget of the film was 40 million dollars, making it the most cheapest film Dreamworks Animation has ever made(that could explain why they had to outsource the animation to another studio, in this case, Canada and France’s Mikros Image Studios, which made the animation less standard, and why this film doesn’t have as many big names Dreamworks Animation usually puts in their movies)(The last film they made with a budget less than 100 million dollars was ”Over The Hedge”, but that film cost a fairly high budget of 80 million dollars, twice the budget of this film), it needed to make 120 million dollars to break even, which is very unlikely. Sure, it got good reviews from critics, but like last years ”The BFG” proved that good reviews doesn’t mean good box office. I think this film should be on the list, if it doesn’t do well in other territories.
Tristan Michelssays
Hold on a minute. I looked back on ”Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie” recently, and to be honest, I was a little too harsh on it when I reviewed it on IMDB(I gave it a lackluster 5/10). It was more of a 7/10 film. Sure, I had some problems with the story, but it wasn’t very ”poorly executed”, and the real problem with it was it was just too simple for an 89 minute movie. I thought the writing was good, the animation was very nice, and the characters were very likable. I also thought the humor wasn’t all that bad as well. And thankfully, I can now see why the film got strong reviews from critics, and also, the film made almost 125 million dollars on a 40 million dollar budget, meaning the film has now broke even and is a success. So I am pleased.
Raymond Davissays
I am sure that the mummy and wonder woman will not flop
Actually, good prediction. ”Wonder Woman” is doing fantastic at the box office, and made a WHOPPING 103 million dollars on it’s opening weekend, and that was largely due to the great reviews the film got from critics and audiences. Sure, ”The Mummy” got ripped apart by critics, and is doing so-so in the USA so far, making only 12 million dollars on it’s opening day, but it’s doing very well overseas, making 136 million dollars, already making it’s 125 million dollar budget back.
YOU BET YOU! IT DID TERRIBLE! IT MADE EXACTLY 35 MILLION DOLLARS ON A VERY SMALL BUDGET OF 25 MILLION DOLLARS. WE ARE NEVER GOING TO SEE ANOTHER FILM IN THE SERIES, UNLESS IT’S DIRECT TO DVD! IN FACT, THIS FILM SHOULD HAVE BEEN DIRECT TO DVD!
it is not a flop it gained 10 million(according to your source) flops make less money than the budget. Diary of a wimpy kid:long haul was predictable and unfunny so your opinion is understandable. if they make another movie they should have a bigger budget and grow upfrom potty humor-make the jokes actually funnt. BTW fuck #notmyrodrick. The internet should grow up.
12 flops so far this year. A lot of movies these days don’t do so well because of in home options like Netflix. The same pitfalls happened when television arrived in the 1950s, movie theater attendance went down. I wouldn’t be too surprised if Pirates 5 flops, given the trouble Johnny Depp has gone through along with the fact that it’s an aging 14 year old franchise. Also, Disney has had repeated flops over Memorial Day weekend. People in Hollywood are wanting to succeed. I wouldn’t be too surprised if it doesn’t, but I can’t hold out my breath for such an event to happen. Disney, like all studios, does not want their films to flop. Often times I would like for them to flop in order for them to clean house and create a new strategy that does not involve remaking all their old animated movies.
Also the increase in ticket prices. Why drop 10-15 dollars for a 3D movie if its gonna be ass? Why not wait for home video or borrow it from the public library? I’m glad audiences are not tolerating shitty movies anymore, maybe we’ll get some more quality entertainment, especially horror films.
Actually, we’ve been getting decent horror movies lately over the past couple years. Movies like The Conjuring 2, It Follows, and The Witch are great and It Comes at Night (releases on June 9) looks like creepy as hell.
I felt the Conjuring 2 was pretty tame compared to the first one. Same can be said for the other two, they have good elements but are not perfect or rewatchable in my opinion. I’ll be excited for It Comes at Night, but my opinion still stands on more bad than good horror films being made.
Iansays
Johnny Depp has had a string of disappointing movies recently with The Tourist, The Rum Diary, The Lone Ranger, Mortdecai and Alice Through the Looking Glass. It looks like Disney is banking on audiences eager to see Johnny Depp return as Jack Sparrow after a six year absence.
King Arthur movies that bombed:
– A Kid in King Arthur’s Court (Budget: $15 million; Box office: $13.7 million) – loss of $16.3 million
– Quest for Camelot (Budget: $40M; BO: $38.2M) – loss of $41.8 million
– King Arthur (Budget: $120M; BO: $203.6M) – loss of $36.4 million
– King Arthur: Legend of the Sword (Budget: $175M; BO: $45M) – loss of $265 million (so far)*
*It was revealed that $135 million was spent on marketing.
Which is a shame because to me it looks better than any upcoming movie, maybe except new Planet of the Apes entry and Thor: Ragnarok.
Dylan Wsays
It probably will flop but I think it will do well in Europe. Whether it’ll be enough to warrant the $180 million budget, we’ll have to see. However, you bet I’ll be there to see Valerian on opening weekend. The worlds look so cool that I’m even going to shell out a couple more dollars to see it in 3D.
ASBsays
Just like Jupiter Ascending. Cool 3D but eventually it flopped.
ASBsays
I think it will definitely!
ramjosays
Any studio who plans to make another King Arthur movie’s in the future, they need to study this figure cause it tells a lot.
I’m not so sure if the new Power Rangers reboot might be getting a sequel, but my aching self tells me it ain’t gonna happen. The film actually did beat the OG Mighty Morphin Power Rangers movie’s opening, but sadly, it wasn’t the kind of a huge hit Lions gate had hoped for. I had much interest in the movie, but it underperformed. Looks like it’s gonna flop in Japan (FYI, Disney’s global dominance) because this will be the last theater run there. Trust me, they should move forward from the 6-story arc they already said and just go back to TV where they belong. Sadly, it’s not gonna bring enough money to get its budget back. #FranchiseKiller.
That’s not how it works. Most movies must make twice the production budget at the box office. For example, Power Rangers probably had to make $200 million worldwide in order to pay off the budget and marketing costs. It’s only made $135.6 million up to this point.
Did you include licencing, merchendice and home media sales in your calculations, because of these variables it is hard to know what profit most of these movies make so production budget vs box office is what most people go with
James Haysays
No, they don’t.
Jonathansays
In order for a movie to break even, it has to gross twice it’s budget. Because only half of the money goes back to the studio while the other half enters the pockets of the theaters. This is not even counting how much money was spent in marketing.
Stuartsays
There are times where a movie get’s an afterlife after bombing on the box office, however that is not common. For a movie to do that the movie would need to attract extra attention in it’s target audience to do that, I don’t doubt movies like Dreed or Scott Pilgrim recovered it’s money after the poor box office, but like I said that is not common, a movie that had “meh” reviews like Ghost in the Shell it’s almost guaranteed that it will not recover it’s money at all. Could Power Rangers do that? It could,but I doubt it. The movie didn’t had that much of a talk between the audience to pull that off.
In fact,merchandising could be a double edge sword,it could save a movie but also could doomed it even more, like with Rise of the Guardians. Rise of the Guardians did double it’s budget,but it was such such an marketing and merchandising failure that STILL made Dreamworks lost millions,to the point to drive the studio in a really bad situation. And that was with a movie that doubled it’s budget.
Rafsays
Both ghost in the shell and life made profits regardless of quality they did not flop. The films may have been disappointments but they do not belong on this list, And please don’t give me the Bs about it needing to double and triple it’s budget, a flop is a film that douse not break even
they earned more than production budget without the marketing cost. What i know, its 50% cut, that goes to the film studio. And it depends on what country. In China, the movie company only earns 25% . Such as in Fast and Furious movie which made almost 400 millions, Universal may take home a total of 100 million, not 400 million.
Did you include licencing, merchendice and home media sales in your calculations, it is hard to know what profit most of these movies make so production budget vs box office is what most people go with
Box office bombs do not get great merchandising and home media sales, do they?
Mierzwiaksays
Sometimes they do like Showgirls. From wikipedia:
“Despite a negative theatrical and critical consensus, Showgirls enjoyed success on the home video market, generating more than $100 million from video rentals, allowing the film to turn a profit and become one of MGM’s top 20 all-time bestsellers.”
Also, if I remember correctly, Dredd’s sales numbers were pretty good.
James Haysays
You believe everything you read on Wikipedia?
Mierzwiaksays
It’s just a quote. Do your own research about Showgirls sales on VHS if you don’t believe.
– Power Rangers (Budget: $100 million; Box office: $135.6 million)
– The Zookeeper’s Wife (Budget: $20M; BO: $17.6M)
– The Lost City of Z (Budget: $30M; BO: $12.7M)
Man,Lionsgate is just on a roll with their flops,huh? Last year if it wasn’t for LaLaLand,Hacksaw Ridge and Now You See Me 2 it would be a completely disaster for them (I kinda think it was,I don’t think it made up for the massive flops they had in 2016). I would never expected that Power Rangers would flop too but it looks like the movie is done now. Sad,but they should learn to stop being so hungry for franchises like that.
But at least there is always…that…My Little Pony adaptation they have for this year…oh boy…
There’s a large fanbase for this show, and I can see why you think it’s overrated. Traditionally guys in their 20s don’t watch shows like this. I do see some repetition in the plots, yet I’m watching these characters grow and mature unlike other kids shows. Luckily, I have Amazon Prime, so I can check out both Avatar: The Last Airbender, and The Legend of Korra, the former which had a terrible live action adaptation in 2010.
Dylan Wsays
I haven’t watched the show that it’s based on so I’m neutral. I think it’s cool that a 2D animated movie is getting a wide release. The last 2D animated movie to get a wide release was Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’, and that only played for 2 weeks.
ramjosays
Wrong release date. They should have put it somewhere in August with less competition. And casts at least 2 known or famous young actors to be part of the powers rangers with greatest social media followers. It will help with marketing. Spending 4-8 million for young famous actors for cast would really help as long as the movie is good. The brand is known in US market, but may not be famous in other countries. The actors they put were really unknown.
In the movie, some scenes were boring and low pace. I loved the TV version in 90s, it is my childhood. And i love the movie version of this years ago too. This is a reboot.
Before thinking of a possible franchise, they should start in making 1 good movie first- I’m just disappointment.
Psstt.. This is what they did with Guardian of Galaxy. It is unknown Marvel. But they casts well known actors : Chriss Pratt and Zoey and etc and put a good director and great story. Then 1 movie hit, they are now making it a franchise.
Power Rangers I think it’s safe to say to call it. The film is bombing in China and with that goes any chance of this film breaking even. King Arthur definitely is going to deserve a page.. the only question is how bad is it going to bomb. Last one I would put on here is The Circle which has been a critical bomb for Tom Hanks and to date has only grossed about a 20.1 m against an 18 m budget.
Get information ready for a King Arthur: Legend of the Sword page. I predict a huge flop coming. It has a whopping $175 million budget for crying out loud!
it is getting bad reviews. We will see how the moviegoers respond. Overseas is a different ball games but GTOG, Fast and Furious, and even BTAB still strong overseas. King Arthurs really needs to gain a lot of profit overseas to get a sequel. I heard it is book to do 6 movies if King Arthur will become a block buster.
Dylan Wsays
A lot of blockbusters are scheduled right near each other and many of them will cannibalize each other. Just look at what happened in March. There was a big movie coming out each week. Logan, Kong: Skull Island, and Beauty and the Beast survived but brought down Power Rangers and Ghost in the Shell in the process. I’m not shocked that King Arthur is supposed to be a franchise starter. The original title was going to be Knights of the Roundtable: King Arthur. That just sounds like the most “franchise starter” title I’ve heard since X-Men Origins: Wolverine. We’ll see what happens with King Arthur but with a $175 million budget, I think Warner Bros. is going to take a huge loss on this one. Clearly, someone didn’t keep their budget in check. It’s kinda sad because I usually like Guy Ritchie’s movies even though they can sometimes fall into that “style over substance” category.
ramjosays
Update: King Arthur’s preview as of Thursday earned 1.1 million.That is awful. This summer movie looks awful too. They are losing billions due to great decline of moviegoers. And worst, most movies are going to sandwiched each other. It seems that pre-summer has the best of blockbusters – March was the most exciting month and went off to be 1st blockbuster. Summer: Fatigue or overpopulated movie market?
As for Power Rangers, it bomb in China. The sequel has been scraped off. If they have kept the original date in January, it could have done better or move to August or September.
More movies are going to suffer this year and most of them are over 100 million.
Dylan Wsays
If Power Rangers came out in January, it would’ve gone against juggernauts like Hidden Figures, La La Land, and Split. It just might have been salvaged if it had been released on January 27 or February 3 in between Split and the trio of February hits (Fifty Shades Darker, John Wick: Chapter 2, and The Lego Batman Movie).
ramjosays
Yeah, they were strong movies in January or February but March have strongest movies combined, so going up against is fatal.There are other months like August or September..
Dylan Wsays
Actually, August probably would’ve been a better month to release Power Rangers since kids would still be out of school whereas school was still in session in March.
Saint of Killerssays
What happened in March is about to happen or is already happening from May to July. Guardians 2, Alien Covenant, Pirates 5, Baywatch, Wonder Woman, Mummy, Cars 3, Transformers 5, Despicable Me 3, Spiderman Homecoming, War for Planet of Apes, Dunkirk, Valerian, Dark Tower; so many blockbusters that are ready to cannibalize each other.
King Arthur is already the first casualty, next one I am guessing could be The Mummy. Valerian is also looking to be a box office bomb.
I also like Guy Ritchie movies and have interest in Arthurian stories so I was disappointed to see it become a massive flop.
I’m not so sure about that. Their hit to flop ratio is kinda shaky. Plus, they’ve only had one movie cross the $100 million mark worldwide in the 6 years they’ve been a distributor: The Nut Job.
Better get ready for “The Circle”, Tom Hanks’ worst-performing film ever. Friday night โThe Circleโ took in just $3.2 million in 3,163 theaters. That means the per screen average was just over $1,000. Even with an $18 million budget that’s horrible. It’s at 17 on Rotten Tomatoes. People are ripping this Apple & Steve Jobs roman a clef to shreds.
It also has a CinemaScore of D+. That’s pretty unheard of as far as recent releases, especially since the last film to get that kind of grade was “The Disappointments Room”, and the most recent film to get a low CinemaScore rating was “Life” (C+).
I never expected The Circle to get the critical scathing it’s received; the trailers looked interesting, but I guess that’s where the “trailers lie” trope comes to play.
I have not watched it. I think it is the last movie of Bill Paxton. I love the respect that The Circle is giving to Bill Paxton. His death has not been used to promote this movie. As a respect, the entire cast was focused on promoting the movie story. I only found out when i saw the cast involved and Bill is one of them. I guess im going to see this for him, I was a fan.
Sean McGinnissays
I heard about that. I haven’t seen much of Bill Paxton’s films, but I’ve heard he was great and well-respected. May his soul rest in peace.
By the way, I hope you enjoy the film, maybe you’ll get something out of it:)
ramjosays
He is indeed a respected actor.
I dunno if i will enjoy it… but with a review like that.. i doubt it.
Tom Hanks too.. well known. Seeing him as a villain is a new thing for me cause i used to seeing him as a good guy in a movie. He has always been one of great actors.. fave was Forest Gump.. and etc.
They also have casts popular stars iJohn Boyega and Emma.. How did they get all these stars to cast in the movie like this?
if the movie is bad- regardless how many A-list stars in there – it many not be enough to draw people..considering there are many options – other movies to watch..
Sean McGinnissays
It’s mostly the animation geek in me speaking, but I’ll always remember Tom Hanks for Woody from the Toy Story films.
I did see him in Sully and Forrest Gump; he provided some really good stuff in those. Odd to see him playing a bad guy in The Circle, though.
And yeah, I expect The Circle to get a huge drop on its second weekend. The market is too crowded right now.
ramjosays
Yeah, i think it will drop.. If it has a better story- like Get out or Split, regardless of bigger films may come– it will be able to stick around.
GOTG 2 is going to be huge.. I’m afraid of King Arthur..
Pirattes of Caribbean still has it
I’m unsure how Baywatch and Alien Covenant..
Sean McGinnissays
Alien Covenant would probably succeed, given the fact that it’s directed by Ridley Scott.
Baywatch will most likely flop, unless it’s good (it’s going up against Pirates of the Caribbean).
What Marvel movie do you think would gross the most; possibly up to a billion?
ramjosays
I think it is going to be a tight competition with Pirattes at the end of May..
Captain Underpants seems to be a dark horse.. WW is anticipated but.. i wonder how good the story..reminds of 1st movie of Captain America..
Transformer and Despicable are going to be juggernaut for June.. That’s for sure..
Sean McGinnissays
Dark horse? You mean like the underdog? Because plenty of people (myself included) are kind of skeptical towards Wonder Woman, and if it fails, then I guess Captain Underpants could supasss it on the 2nd weekend.
ramjosays
Yeah..Still it depends on the story– seems to be comedic.. watch out
Wonder Woman is in a critical position.. It is put before Pirattes of Caribbean.. and WW has 2 weeks to earn before Transformers and Despicable… The Mummy does not look good to me, but it may still divide the moviegoers.. and it will earn.. maybe not much
Sean McGinnissays
Yeah, The Mummy looks bad. It might do okay on it’s OW, but may drop off when Transformers and Despicable Me 3 hit the scene.
I gotta go to bed, sorry for cutting off short. I have AP testing tomorrow ๐
Hope we can talk again!
ramjosays
Okau bro.. its almost 12 here.. gotta sleep too.
Dylan Wsays
I could easily see The Mummy flopping (especially with its $125 million budget) but then again, don’t discredit the power of Tom Cruise. His action movies tend to make a lot of money but I could see this getting lost in the shuffle with other June releases. Also, good luck on your AP tests. I hated doing those because of the small amount of time they give you to complete everything.
Sean McGinnissays
It’s kind of a risk for Universal, especially since The Mummy is supposed to jump start a Monster Cinematic Universe. We’ll have to find out next month, then.
BTW, I just came out from taking my test, it wasn’t as bad as I thought it was going to be. I’ll be getting my scores in July. ๐
Dylan Wsays
Good. Also, I remember when Dracula Untold was supposed to jump start the Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe. They even changed the ending so that that version of Dracula could make way to being part of said universe. I don’t know why Universal changed their minds. Sure, it didn’t make $100 million+ in the U.S. or anything but it more than broke even in the long run. I didn’t like that movie but I feel so bad for the cast since they thought they were going to be a part of a larger monster universe and it just didn’t happen.
Sean McGinnissays
The idea of a Monster Universe kinda sounds cool. I haven’t watched Dracula Untold, but I heard it wasn’t that great. Kind of a shame regarding the cast’s broken dream; I hope they still get some good work to make up for it.
Dylan Wsays
Well, Luke Evans was Gaston in Beauty and the Beast so I’d say he’s doing just fine right now. ๐ Also, you could watch Dracula Untold for its hilariously bizarre choices but it won’t really mean much since it’s not considered canon with the UMCU now.
Sean McGinnissays
I might give it a shot, thanks. ๐
Dylan Wsays
It is short so if you don’t like it, it’s only about an hour and a half long.
Sean McGinnissays
Thanks for the tip ๐
Dylan Wsays
Wonder Woman flopping at the box office? Ha, good one! xD Even with the skepticism, it’s going to be huge. Most of the people who saw BvS, including those who didn’t enjoy it like myself, did at least give Gal Gadot credit for pulling off Wonder Woman in the few moments she was in BvS.
Sean McGinnissays
I know Wonder Woman definitely won’t flop, and it’ll make a ton of money. I actually meant that Wonder Woman could falter on its 2nd weekend like BVS if it’s not good.
Now that I think about it, what was I thinking with Captain Underpants?! ๐ณ
Dylan Wsays
I don’t know. You were probably tired. Wonder Woman will probably have a big 2nd weekend drop regardless of it’s any good or not. Movies that have huge opening weekends, especially superhero films, tend to have big second weekend drops because they are usually very front-loaded and most people who want to see them go on the first weekend to avoid spoilers.
Sean McGinnissays
Oh. I always thought, especially in Power Rangers, Warcraft, and the DCEU’s case, that poor word of mouth caused such large drops. But the spoilers thing makes sense.
Dylan Wsays
Funny that you mention Power Rangers and Warcraft. I saw both of those in theaters and I actually enjoyed both of them, despite not even being a fan of their source materials.
Sean McGinnissays
I watched some of Warcraft, I liked the scenes and conflicts between the Orcs, but I could care less about the human cast. Still, I appreciate the effort Duncan Jones placed into it, he clearly cared about being faithful to the source. Definitely one of the better video game movies out there.
And as I stated before, I adore Power Rangers. It’s not perfect, but it was still engaging and fun. I was shocked and saddened at the film’s 2nd weekend drop, that spelled out possible losses for Lionsgate.
Dylan Wsays
The Orcs were easily the standouts in Warcraft. I didn’t even think that the humans were completely boring either but the Orcs had a lot more depth to them.
pippitypupsays
The only real human standout in Warcraft was Khadgar. Everyone else was interchangeable. Orcs were the real stars.
ultrontrainsays
Yeah, no way will “Wonder Woman” flop. Apparently, there was a press and critics screening held for it, and the large majority of reactions were positive. Even if it gets negative or divisive reception, I think it underperforms, but will still make a nice profit just because of the character’s legacy.
Dylan Wsays
Baywatch will do just fine. Sure, Pirates and Baywatch will diminish each other’s audiences to an extent but Dwayne Johnson has been on a roll lately at the box office and I don’t think it’s stopping just yet. (Maybe when Rampage comes out next year, his box office performance will slip.) It seems like Baywatch is taking notes from 21 Jump Street with its style of humor and it honestly looks hilarious. It will have stiff competition from Pirates and Wonder Woman but keep in mind that another comedy isn’t set to come out after Baywatch until Rough Night three weeks later. Alien: Covenant will do just fine, especially since King Arthur is most likely going to be a dud.
ramjosays
Bro, i think a lot of movies are going to suffer in Box office this year, big or small due to overly populated market.. there is no more room to breath.. The only one survive will be the most popular, franchise, superheroes and the rest will crash and burn even movies with A stars in it..
Sean McGinnissays
Sadly, that’s true. We already have Ghost in the Shell to prove that, not even Scar Jo could save it (though I believe it bombed for several other reasons).
ramjosays
I agree…They should have been put GIST and Power Rangers in January or February were there is less competition..
This month, June and July… there will be more movies that will suffer in box office. Im pretty sure of that..
Sean McGinnissays
I wondered if Power Rangers would succeed in January or February, and as weird as it sounds, I think it might’ve only had a chance in August. There’s no big movie that month, unless you count The Dark Tower, so it could’ve had little to no competition. January and February would’ve still been a risk thanks to the successes of Hidden Figures, LEGO Batman, and Get Out.
GitS probably would’ve flopped regardless, there was too much backlash against it to succeed.
ramjosays
I was a TV fan way back in 90s.. lol!
I’m pretty sure it will do better if they have keep it in January date. Vin Diesel is not a real threat outside Fast and Furious but his movie is always being saved by China..
Resident Evil and Underworld are not so much of a competition..
Power Rangers is the only sci – fi movie that can appeal both to youngsters and adult… so Yeah, it will earn more in January
Sean McGinnissays
Oh yeah, I forgot about XXX! Who watched that anyway? ๐
But as for Power Rangers, I grew up merely watching Jungle Fury. I wasn’t the biggest fan, so the movie didn’t catch my attention until the second trailer.
ramjosays
I dunno, did you see it?
Sean McGinnissays
Nope. I knew it was going to suck, but that was from January’s reputation of being a dump month.
ramjosays
Vin Diesel is not really much getting a nod in domestic outside Fast and Furious movie… I observed, China really loves him regardless of any movie he is in.
Sean McGinnissays
Kinda sucks, he’s not a bad actor. I think the only other roles I know him for playing are The Iron Giant and Groot from GOTG.
ramjosays
i think he is good. we dont see much of him in other movies
Sean McGinnissays
When you put it that way, it makes a bit more sense. Hidden Figures would still be a strong competitor (especially with its strong legs), but Power Rangers could’ve made a close second.
Would that also apply to overseas, as well? It at least made up to $80 Million here, but it bombed outside the US.
ramjosays
Power Rangers pulled 40 million in its initial release behind BTAB which is also a sci-fi movie, that is huge..
Hidden Figures is not SCI-Fi. I believe Power Ranger can overtake it and pulled a number 1 spot.. And there was not really a huge movie in those months.. So being marketed overseas, it can pull some numbers..
I agree with August month too.
Sean McGinnissays
It’s not, but it does appeal to teenagers and adults, same with Power Rangers. With HF’s better reception and timeless message, it would still run circles around PR.
ramjosays
But… but.. March wad filled with biggest movies and mostly were SCI-Fi..
And January or February.. only have Hidden Figures to worry about… not other 4 big movies in March…
Sean McGinnissays
That’s true.
ramjosays
Every month is very populated with great movies but it is the only one that is SCi-Fi and the rest are not.. If you want to target a certain demogrpahic.. like men– adult and young.. you put it in a month which a movie of less SCI-FI competition..
March is populated with powerful movies: Wolverine, Kong, BTAB and Boss Baby.. Wolverine is a known franchise .. Hugh J delivers it which develop over the years with Xmen and franchise series of Wolverine.. Kong is a well known- I was thinking that it maybe gross over 800 million. BTAB is a beloved Disney and 124 millions views of Trailer on the next 24 hours is a red flag – that alone is HUGE RED FLAG especially Emma Watson stars in a movie with her strongest demographic- targeting children and family. Her weakness is a drama or thriller movie.. unless it is a good one.. but she is getting not good one is small movies.
Boss Baby is like– well someone says this. a Baby Putin.. cute..
Sean McGinnissays
I was surprised at how Boss Baby exceeded expectations. I knew that it would do well, but knocking BaTB off the #1 spot seemed like a laughable prediction.
That movie was pretty mediocre, Dreamworks has made far better. Maybe Captain Underpants will be good.
ramjosays
Yeah, Boss Baby slows down BTAB in Box office. Likewise with BTAB impede Logan and Kong in Box office.. One effect the others..I guess that is what happened with GIST and Power Rangers.. so having Life and Chips.. in — well.. you know the rest of the story..It may happened again with all this movies in May, June and July..
Fast and Furious really is happy without competition, though ..i doubt it will reach 1.5 this time around.. BTAB and Fast and Furious are fighting in box office in Japan but they target different genre.. i think both will win.. They already did.. Both movies gross 1 billion.. Kudos to their studio who are very much sleeping in bed of money..
Saint of Killerssays
At this point, animation movies have become a safe bet for the studios as family audience just love them. Captain Underpants will also make good amount of money too as it combines it with audience’s other favorite genre : superheroes.
Then again, a superhero movie like Power Rangers at 100$ million should have also been a blockbuster. It even got better cinemascore than Logan but strange no one gone to see it.
Tristan Michelssays
”Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie” wasn’t good.
ramjosays
Yes, August is better month for it..
ramjosays
Still surprised with GIST.. considering ScarJo popularity with Iron Man franchise, Captain America and Avengers.. still due to overpopulated market?
Sean McGinnissays
That, and I believe there are several other reasons:
The Whitewashing Controversy – I understand both sides of this issue, but this killed part of the film’s publicity.
Anime Adaptations are taboo towards fans, mostly thanks to the crapfest that is Dragonball Evolution (I think Speed Racer is underrated tho)
And GitS’ source material is niche to the general public, despite being an example of anime’s evolution over the years. Even Roger Ebert agreed that GitS as is wouldn’t be popluar in the mainstream market.
ramjosays
Final Fantasy is going to be a good adaptation.. but it needs at least 2-3 popular character to fly.. and make it a franchise with good marketing
ultrontrainsays
I agree. Wouldn’t be surprised if this year will have a pretty extreme mix of both some of the biggest hits ever and some of the biggest flops/bombs ever. Also wouldn’t be surprised if some hoped-for big flicks will still make tons of money, but perform well below expectations (“Justice League” or POTC I could see falling into that category). Honestly, it’s not nearly as much about names, so much as it is brand/image and overall reviews from critics and early audiences.
pippitypupsays
The P & A for The Circle has to be huge. It’s been all over L.A. now for weeks. That right there will kick it into flop status.
I think it will gross 15 to 17 million total by the end of sunday or monday, it is on its second week. It may be end up with total of 25 million or 30 million before it thearetical ends if my estimates are not wrong.. and only if it will stay for a month or two. I just saw it today, surprise i thought i was alone. Lol! There are some people who really watch it. The story is what is happening now. Acting wise, Karen is good. Emma has strong points but needs some improvement on others. As for Tom Hanks, he is really good.
ramjosays
It gross 9 million.. with an 18 million budget. It is not bad. Considering with a Cinemascore of D and negative review.. The movie is not really competitive for market viewing.
Should “Beyond Skyline” be on here? That movie grossed $992,181 on a budget of 20 million.
Wheres Justice League?
what are some more movies to add?
never mind, it’s a success.
Sorry I said this twice. I had Comment Admission Failure.
Ferdinand needed 322 million $ to break even and it did not achieve that. It should be on this list.
“Ferdinand ” deserves a spot on this list. It had to compete with “Star Wars The Last Jedi” and also, it needed 322 million $ to break even and it did not achieve that.
Birth of the Dragon:
Budget $31 million
Box office $7.2 million
I’m going to paste what I wrote on Facebook a few months ago — this is not an affront toward you. Forbes or either of the Penske owned rags variety or deadline, set ridiculous bars of success for that movie to break even, based off of nothing. The budget was never released by Time Warner. The ceiling to reach profitability kept being raised by those publications, and in turn churned out clickbait articles that Justice League lost over $100M. In february, Time Warner posted their quarterly financial report and now here we are with deadline posting how Justice League’s box office pushed the quarter into profit. Movies that lose $100M don’t make investor reports as the reason there is a profit. http://deadline.com/2018/02/time-warner-beats-q4-expectations-powered-by-justice-league-1202276054/
Justice League, man, you’ve got to post Justice League. It lost more money than a lot of these even cost.
Justice League made over 675 million world wide you dim wit. Of course it’s not on this list.
So 90% of the films that came out then.
Stop delaying and put Roman Israel and Birth of the Dragon on the list already
It’s funny the guy who runs this can put Hurricane Heist and Early Man up immediately, but not all the ones from 2017 that should have been on here months ago.
Well, to be fair, it’s not completely laziness, Roman J. Israel has a few major markets to open in after Denzel got his nomination, so just holding off until we find out if Sony tries to capitalize off of it or dumps it like they have so far. Incredibly disappointing mess of a movie btw.
Birth of the Dragon, just waiting for the China release, which has not been scheduled yet — plenty of movies land a China release well over a year after it rolls out worldwide.
Hostiles will posted next.
When are you going to add Justice League? It’s run finally ended this weekend, 3/15/18. It only made $658 million and needed $750 million to break even, for a loss of $92 million for WB. That’s not small change. For a movie that features DC’s family jewels it is embarrassing. This website’s list are starting to look bogus and biased.
Not a complete bomb, unlike these.
If losing tens of millions of dollars isn’t a complete bomb, I don’t know what is.
Loosing over $100 million (the total run updated to $647.9 million, https://news.avclub.com/justice-league-ends-its-theatrical-run-as-the-lowest-gr-1823932543) when you are making a movie with the crown jewels of DC comics is not just bombing, it is a disaster.
WB needs to scrap the whole DCEU continuity and make independent DC characters movies. After 5 movies I have no interest at all in watching any future DCEU with the current cast (except for WW) and related movies. They definitely ruined Superman and Batman for me.
The greedy bastards at WB obviously don’t know how to built an unified universe like the MCU. Comic books fans deserve better.
Well, Justice League was my top film of last year, just ahead of Logan and Wonder Woman, with the other superhero-related films also on the list, and I felt it had some of the best versions of Batman and Superman. I’ve loved all the films in the DCEU thus far, as well as all those in the MCU, and I can’t wait to see more. Ben Affleck is also my top live-action Batman, but I prefer Kevin Conroy over them all. Have a great day, and God bless!
According to Deadline, it was more like $60 million lost.
Justice League probably should be added, since it hasn’t reached the much touted $750 million break even point.
Samson is a good contender
12 Strong and Early Man seem like contenders for the 2018 list.
This was mentioned to you below already but, 12 Strong is not a bomb. It overperformed studio expectations OW, and with its financial arrangement it’s $30M budget is backstopped from Alcon and WB is only on the hook for P&A. It’s WW total is double its budget and it has yet to enter territories, such as China. Proud Mary and Den of Thieves seem much more likely additions to the list. Maybe you meant 15:17 to Paris? Which had a lower OW than 12 Strong, and unless it appeals internationally, actually has a shot at making the list.
Den of Thieves is similar to 12 Strong. Outperformed expectations, Diamond Films (whoever they are) financed it and paid for P&A, STX has no money involved. The international presales apparently paid off over 50% of the budget, and there’s already a sequel in the works.
Early Man will probably do well overseas.
What like in it’s home producing country UK ?
Early Man will do fine.
Phantom Thread should also be considered for this list. It’s only made $27.7 million on a $35 million budget. Unless it wins some Oscars (which I don’t expect it to), then I don’t think it’s going to make its money back.
Added to pending.
So when will the list be finalized?
Where is The Greatest Showman? 8.8 million opening weekend
Box Office Mojo reports that movie has a worldwide take of $314 million on a production budget of $84 million after 54 days in release. Overseas markets saved it.
It got to over $150 million in the States alone. Word of mouth saved it. Also has the largest second weekend increase in gross ever for a film in over 3,000 theaters.
I was going by these two rules of thumb: break-even for a US release is typically US revenue that’s twice it’s production budget and profitability is almost always a sure thing if worldwide revenue is three times the production budget. $84MM x 2 = $168MM and $84MM x 3 = $252MM. So while $150 million in the USA is $18 milllion short of its $168 million break-even number, overseas pushed it well past both $252MM.
Without that success in the States, it would have been written off as a failure, since it seemed like more of a domestic play in the first place. International and domestic combined made it profitable, but the US is the real success story in the end.
Don’t even EXPECT that film to be on this list. It had VERY(and I mean VERY) long legs in the box office, and ended up making more than 150 million dollars in the USA alone, and a solid 314 million dollars worldwide. Even though FOX had the underperforming(though still fairly leggy) ”Ferdinand” playing at the time, this… well, FOX definitely had their Christmas miracle with ”The Greatest Showman”, and how much it over performed at the box office. No wonder why this film is not ending up on this list.
UPDATE: And the film made over 170 million dollars in the USA and more than 400 million dollars worldwide. Is there a chance that this film will end up on this list? NO WAY. I MEAN IT.
Why not talked about “Their Finest”, since the movie (About the making of a propaganda film about the Dunkirk rescue) is lost in the mist of the hype around the Christopher Nolan Dunkirk film!!!
You know what would make this page amazing? If you could sort or search by director, producers, or star.
I’m honestly shocked that neither 12 Strong nor Den of Thieves is bombing right now.
Will The Mountain Between Us finally be on here?
Fox keeps adding new markets for it to open. I have no idea if it’ll get a south korea release. It certainly hasn’t done well, but its slowly creeping along. So, just keeping it off for now.
This was… not a very good year for the box office, to say the least.
Predicting the 2018 flops:
January: 12 Strong, Den of Thieves
February: Early Man, Samson, Annihilation, The War With Grandpa
March: Death Wish, The Hurricane Heist, Tomb Raider
April: Show Dogs, Chappaquiddick
May: Action Point
June: Tag, I Feel Pretty, Uncle Drew
July: Alita: Battle Angel
August: The Meg, Nasty Women, Scarface, Captive State, The Happytime Murders, Three Seconds, Kin
September: Alpha, The House With a Clock in Its Walls, Robin Hood
October: Bad Times at the El Royale, Mowgli
November: The Nutcracker and the Four Realms, Widows, The Women of Marwen
December: Mortal Engines
What are your reasons for Early Man, Show Dogs, and Tomb Raider?
I personally think Early Man will follow the sam pattern Aardman’s recent films have done. Weak US buisness but excellent numbers in the UK and other international places.
For Early Man, stop motion films don’t really tend to do well at the box office but it could do well overseas like Shaun the Sheep Movie did. Show Dogs looks like a bottom of the barrel bargain bin family film and Open Road Films doesn’t have the greatest track record. I could see Tomb Raider doing well if it’s well-received but it looks expensive and I don’t know how strong the Tomb Raider brand still is considering the last game in the series didn’t do all that well sales wise.
“Early Man” looked good(especially since it was from Aardman), but it flopped HARD and is on the 2018 list. “Tomb Raider” isn’t doing all that well in the domestic box office, but is doing well overseas(and somehow ended up being the BEST REVIEWED LIVE ACTION VIDEO GAME ADAPTATION ON ROTTEN TOMATOES, which really isn’t saying much, with a mediocre 50 percent). As for “Show Dogs”? WOW. THAT FILM LOOKS ABYSMAL, AND WILL BE THIS YEAR’S “Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”(as “Teen Titans Go! to the Movies” will be this year’s “The Emoji Movie”), but I’m VERY sure that the film cost no more than 20 million dollars to make, and will make an easy profit(even though I WANT the film to flop, no matter WHAT) as a result, since that’s the only family friendly fare that’s out in May(and before “Incredibles 2” steals its thunder in June, which it ABSOLUTELY WILL). Yeah.
And “The War With Grandpa” wasn’t even released in theaters, because, well, everyone knows(the Weinstein Scandal).
There’s a decent chance Widows won’t bomb. You have an absolutely stacked cast, an acclaimed director in Steve McQueen, and Gillian “Gone Girl” Flynn writing the screenplay.
Wow, I didn’t realize how stacked the cast was. I actually don’t think Widows will bomb.
I think Action Point’s going to do well since it’s going to be in the same vein as Jackass. As long as Paramount doesn’t completely screw up the marketing, it should be fine.
Two things: 1. Jackass hasn’t been relevant in quite a while. 2. Paramount has had a mixed track record lately.
International will probably be big, and the budget’s are low enough to probably break even easily. Paramount just needs to market. They’ve had a bunch of terrible films, and they did move Action Point right into the heart of May, which shows some confidence in the film. Also, 12 Strong and Den of Thieves are doing ok. Probably going to break even or make a little bit of cash in the long run. Early Man’s going to do well internationally and bomb in the U.S., while Samson’s probably made for pennies by a company that makes loads of money on the home entertainment market.
I predicted that 12 Strong and Den of Thieves would flop before they were released. I didn’t think 12 Strong’s budget would be a low $30M and I didn’t think Den of Thieves would find an audience either but clearly they are both doing well at the moment. Samson actually looks like it was made for a bigger budget than most Pure Flix movies and I think Paul, Apostle of Christ is going to kill Samson at the box office.
From what I could find, Samson was made in South Africa by some company that does commercials, so that’s why I think it’s cheap. Red Sparrow seems like it’ll bomb to me, because Jennifer Lawrence already showed she can’t get her audience to come to a film they don’t find interesting otherwise, and it looks like a mediocre thriller from the trailers. I think Pacific Rim: Uprising is going to bomb, since I heard a while back that there were major issues with it, along with the fact that the first one bombed in the U.S. too. Sherlock Gnomes does not look like something parents will actually take their kids to, or that kids find interesting. Gnomeo and Juliet didn’t have any real staying power either, so I don’t imagine there are a lot of people excited for it. Ready Player One scares me because it’s in a perfect place to completely bomb, with a large budget in a non-blockbuster season. Also, there’s the fact that it may not have enough widespread appeal and it’s mainly a nostalgia play.
I could definitely see Pacific Rim: Uprising bombing but I could also see the international market saving it like the first one. Sherlock Gnomes probably has a low budget like the first one so it’ll probably be fine (but I sure hope it bombs, it looks like trash). Ready Player One could also bomb, seeing as Spielberg is no longer immune to flops anymore. However, I could totally see it becoming a breakout hit with the right focus.
“Pacific Rim: Uprising” did alright(if weak) in the domestic box office, and it’s making a very healthy amount of money overseas(especially China). “Sherlock Gnomes” is doing terrible at the box office(both domestically and overseas)so far. “Ready Player One”(which I’m going to see this weekend) has box office potential, and good reviews from critics(83 percent Certified Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes) are definitely helping, too. We’ll see.
”Alita: Battle Angel” got moved to December, and its going to compete with 4 OTHER MOVIES ALL COMING OUT AT THE SAME CHRISTMAS SEASON! No wonder that it will be a HUGE box office flop.
The 4 films are “Spider Man Into The Spider Verse”, “Aquaman”, “Bumblebee”, and “Mary Poppins Returns”.
Oh yes. I definitely think that ”Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse”(even though it’s from the creators of ”The Emoji Movie”) and ”Mary Poppins Returns” will do very well in the Christmas season. I think that ”Aquaman” and ”Bumblebee”(yes! I just said that) will do well, too. The competition definitely looks TOUGH.
“I Feel Pretty” got moved to April.
And the best way to describe it? Thanks to having to compete with “Ready Player One”(and ESPECIALLY in China), “Pacific Rim: Uprising” has lost it’s audience. And now with “Avengers: Infinity War” dominating the box office, and the film out of most theaters as well, there are a few words. The film has made 280 million dollars WORLDWIDE on a 150 million dollar budget, and I doubt that it’s going to make more. I think it should be on this list. By the way, I’m VERY pleased with how “Ready Player One” is doing at the box office, both in the USA and overseas(especially China). It’s going to hit the 130 million dollar mark soon in the USA, and even if “Avengers: Infinity War” keeps taking more and more of it’s audience, there’s still a chance it could hit the 140 million dollar mark(or maybe even the 150 million dollar mark) if it’s still doing as it is. Even “Rampage” is doing alright both in the USA and overseas(even if it lost a huge chunk of it’s audience thanks to “Avengers: Infinity War”), and “Tomb Raider” did very well overseas(even though it didn’t do very well in the USA, but hey, that’s not the main goal!), too. Thanks, Warner Bros.!
Can we just call it quits for Father Fig and Down Sizing
Father Figures will be posted shortly. Downsizing opens in a few markets this weekend and I don’t expect much but holding off just to see if there is any overseas appeal.
I think putting Hostiles on the pending list is a bit early. It seems like it’ll do better in a wide release, not to mention that Entertainment Studios also seems to have no idea how to do a limited release.
Ferdinand
Downsizing
Father Figures
Overseas could save Ferdinand.
Yeah, that might be a possibility, but if the overseas results are weak, just like the USA, the film could flop hard.
The film opened in more overseas markets over the New Year’s weekend, and has now made more than 70 million dollars overseas. The film has made more than 50 million dollars in the USA, and has already made more than 120 million dollars, already making it’s 110 million dollar back, but THIS IS THE WORLDWIDE GROSS. And now with ”Paddington 2” coming out next week, and ”Star Wars: The Last Jedi”, ”Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle”. ”Coco”, and ”Wonder still taking family audiences, I’m doubtful the film will stay in theaters for too long.
Why isn’t The Mummy on this list?
Must be the fact that it did better overseas.
Hmm, I mean it’s been labeled a box office bomb though.
You’ve got a point there.
I think The Greatest Showman could very well end up on this list. It has a budget of $84 million, and made 8 million dollars on it’s opening weekend, it’s a bad start for a film with a big budget like this, even Ferdinand and The Star were more successful than this, and Star Wars and Jumanji will take most of it’s family audience.
Its possible. However, with the holidays, it may have good legs. Plus musicals travel well overseas so that might save it too
It’s up to just over $90 million. If it stays on this path, it could do very well.
It ended up with $21 million over the extended weekend. It could still do pretty well.
It might actually break even. It did really well during its second weekend. In fact, it currently holds the record for the lowest second weekend drop, with a whopping 76.6% growth over its opening weekend!
Word of mouth saved it, people seem to really like it.
The Greatest Showman ended up setting many box office holding records, and is still at the box office now, going into its 8th week and showing 4-6 times per day and even has IMAX showings. It is expected to surpass La La Land at the domestic box office now. Despite its horrible weekend, word of mouth saved it and it didn’t come close to flopping.
When will Wonder Wheel be added?
Allen’s movies still usually have a presence in European markets and its rollout is through spring 2018.
any idea on how much losses JL curtailed ? Or did it break even yet?
I think it may have broken even.
So, which movies do you predict that will bomb at 2018?
Alpha, Alita: Battle Angel, Scarface, The Meg, Robin Hood, and The Nutcracker and the Four Realms
Scarface probably is going to get moved to another year or cancelled, since I don’t think they’ve even started filming yet and they can’t seem to get directors for it. Nutcracker’s Disney and will probably do well enough with the target audience. All the rest are definite possibilities.
True, I also believe that the Scarface remake will be cancelled but for the time being, it is still on the release schedule for next year. Also, keep in mind that Disney is not impervious to flops. Do you remember John Carter, Mars Needs Moms, The Lone Ranger, and Tomorrowland? The Nutcracker already looks expensive to begin with and they are doing major reshoots on the movie very soon. Even though the movie is a major Disney release for the holidays, it will be up against the animated Grinch movie from Illumination Entertainment, Fantastic Beasts 2, Wreck-It Ralph 2, Mortal Engines, Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, Aquaman, Bumblebee, and Mary Poppins Returns. That is a lot of competition (including 2 from Disney themselves) and I doubt think it’ll survive. I get too much of an Alice in Wonderland remake vibe from the trailer and while it will go through extensive reshoots soon, I just don’t think that’ll be enough to save it.
I feel Mortal Engines is doomed if it keeps its release date. Universal should move it up to September as that month could use an IT type breakout
And don’t forget about the upcoming ”Teen Titans GO!” movie too.(with the beyond lazy title of ”Teen Titans GO! to the Movies”). The fact that it’s based off a very disliked TV show, the fact that it’s coming out 1 YEAR AFTER THE INFAMOUS ”The Emoji Movie”, and the fact it will have too much competition over the summer of 2018 will have this film flop BIG TIME, even though Warner Bros. has already revealed the budget. A TINY 7 million dollars. Yeah.
Even though there are a lot of people who hate Teen Titans Go, it is massively popular with the kids. I don’t know where you got that budget figure from since the movie is still being made at the moment but if the movie’s budget does end up being that small, it’ll have no problem making a profit.
Yes, I am aware about ”Teen Titans GO!”’s massive popularity with children. But Cartoon Network has(and will continue to) air tons and tons of ”Teen Titans GO!” marathons, and kids will already get their fill of ”Teen Titans GO!” by watching those. And there’s also going to be family competition as well(”Incredibles 2”, ”Hotel Translyvania 3”, and the ”Christopher Robin” movie) that summer, which will really limit that film’s chance for success, And yes, if the budget remains very small, the film COULD make a profit. But then again, it’s ”Teen Titans GO!”. Adults and fans of the old(”Teen Titans”) show will skip it, though. Really.
I don’t know if a lot of kids are going to see Christopher Robin. I think that most people who see that will be older and grew up with Winnie the Pooh.
I also knew that, too. But there are kids who know who Winnie the Pooh is. And yes, even though the last film starring Pooh became a HUGE FLOP at the box office(it had to compete with the last ”Harry Potter” film, which ended up being the highest grossing film of that year(2011), and it became the only film made during the Disney Revival era that actually lost money), I do see box office potential for the new film. Really.
The Meg should do well. I hope. Because the books were amazing. So, if all goes well, it should do well. It doesn’t have much competition around that time, as well.
The Meg has a budget of $150 million. Think about that.
I still have faith it will do very well. I’ll definitely be in line to see it.
I think that Ferdinand will end up on this list and I also think that Downsizing and All the Money in the World will end up on here, too.
Downsizing and All the Money in the World are definitely bombing. AtMitW (there is no good way to make this title shorter) might survive with Oscar noms, but it may be a bust otherwise. No one seems to like Downsizing, so that kills any shot of it making money.
I think the jury is still out on All The Money. Opening day wasnt strong but the days and weeks ahead will determine its status. Plus Scott’s movies tend to travel well overseas and the international setting could help it. Downsizing is DOA no matter what way you look at it. Even with holiday legs it will be lucky to reach $30 million domestic and I cant see it doing well internationally either
Will The Mounatin between us, Geostorm or Justice league go on this list?
Justice League has probably broken even now.
It hasn’t… not even close. To break even.. Justice League would have had to make upwards of 750 mill. which it failed to do. This is due to a reported production cost of 300 mil and then an additional 150 mil due to the sudden inclusion of Joss Whedon, re-shoots, and advertising. To date, the final box office stands at $648.4 million. Warner Bros definitely lost money on this one and JL definitely deserves to be on this list: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/justice-league-movie-box-office-warner-bros-batman-superman-wonder-woman-a8065646.html If you want even more proof of how terrible this film did… their Co-President of Production, Jon Berg was fired, there are no plans for Snyder to direct another DC film, and the poor performance of the film caused a massive restructuring for DC films: https://consequenceofsound.net/2017/12/dc-films-is-firing-pretty-much-everyone-responsible-for-disastrous-justice-league-movie/
I think we have a new film that could end up on this list… The recent animated adaptation of ”Ferdinand the Bull”, otherwise called just ”Ferdinand’. It got decent reviews from critics, but made an EMBRASSING 3.6 million dollars on it’s opening day in the USA, and could end up with a pathetic 12 million dollars on it’s opening weekend, especially since it cost a fairly huge budget of 111 million dollars to make. And what movie did it fail against? A critical and commercially successful box office monster called ”Star Wars: The Last Jedi”(despite getting mixed feedback from fans, the film got EXCELLENT reviews from critics, and I’m still REALLY(and I MEAN REALLY) excited for that film), which made almost 105 MILLION DOLLARS ON IT’S OPENING DAY ALONE, AND WILL MAKE ABOUT 215-220 MILLION DOLLARS ON IT’S OPENING WEEKEND ALONE. Yeah, the film could have a long leggy run over the holidays(it helps that the film got fairly solid feedback from critics and audiences), but there will be a lot of family competition over the next week(the upcoming ”Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle”(which I’m also seeing, and it, along with ”The Last Jedi”, will take this film’s family audience), and holdovers (the aforementioned) ”The Last Jedi”, ”Coco”, and ”Wonder”(the latter 2 really did well back in November, and both of them are still taking family audiences)), and this film will really fall apart. Even ”Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip” had a better start than this, and that film already did lousy in the box office. I’m hopeful that when Disney acquires Fox, they will help improve Blue Sky’s work, and make more good films. That’s all that I really needed to know.
I doubt the Disney empire would allow Blue Sky to exist for long. These mega conglomerate mergers just create frightening behemoths. It will likely either be shuttered completely or certain animators and executives absolved into the disney/pixar fold. The Disney method (which has been working for them) is less films costing tons of money with insanely huge and focused ad spends. Every movie can easily tie into the mouse house ecosystem. There’s no room for independence or an outfit like Blue Sky which would just get in the way of development and marketing Disney/Pixar brand toons.
I wanted the Ice Age franchise to die, but not like this…
But what about the movie? I mean, it will flop……
And the film flopped over the holiday season. ”Star Wars: The Last Jedi’ and ”Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle” took almost all of it’s family audience with them. Now has almost 30 million dollars in the USA, and a little more than 60 million dollars worldwide, thanks to a decent amount of overseas markets opening, and the film still has A LOT of overseas markets left. Even ”Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip” did better, but that was because aside from ”Star Wars: The Force Awakens”, there was BARLEY any family films competing against it, and the only family film that came out(before ”Kung Fu Panda 3” came out, which was the first film in 2016(no, ”The Revenant” doesn’t count, that film was a 2015 film) that really made good money at the box office, both as a family film and in general) after that was the infamous ”Norm of the North”, which everyone knows got ABYSMAL reviews from critics and audiences and flopped at the box office, but for ”Ferdinand”, it not only HAD to compete with ”Star Wars: The Last Jedi” and ”Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle”, but both ”Wonder” and ”Coco” were also still getting attention from family audiences, too, despite both films being over a month old. Now ”Ferdinand” doesn’t have that many chances in the box office. It will be impossible to make it’s 110 million dollar budget back in the USA, but there still MIGHT be a chance for the film to do well overseas, considering that, like I said, the film hasn’t come out in most of it’s overseas markets yet. But if it doesn’t, it could end up being the BIGGEST ANIMATED FLOP OF 2017. We’ll never know.
But yeah, I agree with you. I doubt that Disney will let Blue Sky exist for long.
Geostorm:
Production Budget: $120 million
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $33,102,217 16.0%
+ Foreign: $174,400,000 84.0%
= Worldwide: $207,502,217
Not sure why it’s not on the list. There’s a few others that deserve to be here: 1. Colossal Budget: $15m
Box office: $4.7m 2. Free Fire Budget: $7m Box office: $3.6m 3. 9. Lost City of Z Budget: $30m
Box office: $17.2m 4. The Ottoman Lieutenant Budget: $40m Box office: $240,978
We have hit a lot of the big ones though for this year though. Also, with Star Wars The Last Jedi coming out this weekend, that’s bad news for the disappointing Justice League whose worldwide total stands only around 613.4 mill (which is crazy to think about that amount of money considered to be disappointing). WB could lose 50 to 100 mil from Justice League. Estimates point to Justice League ending it’s run around 635 mil. http://www.businessinsider.com/how-much-warner-bros-could-lose-on-justice-league-50-to-100-million-2017-11
We’re leaving most indies off the list — usually under $20m.
There is no source that has listed the Turkish propaganda movie The Ottoman Lieutenant as a $40m production. It was quickly produced in response to the expensive The Promise.
IMDB, Wiki, and NME have the budget listed as an estimate of 40 mil. Where they got that number I have no idea: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4943322/ I can’t find any source that has the actual budget for the movie listed. I did hear about it being rushed into production after The Promise and it getting bombed by critics and making a pathetic 240,978 box office.
What about The Lost City of Z? I know it’s a fantastic movie but just like Blade Runner 2049, the budget was too high to succeed and it didn’t even make its $30 million budget back.
The Lost City of Z is added. Decent movie. Too bad.
Looks like Justice League is going to be very much a flop for Warner Bros.. and with Star Wars coming out next weekend.. any potential to make one last final push is pretty much dead. Also, did Geostorm and Flatliners avoid making this list?
Justice League will disappoint for sure, but I doubt it will outright flop. Not even BVS did that.
Justice League will disappoint for sure, but I doubt it will outright flop. Not even BVS did that.
It’s definitely not making a profit though. Also, apparently Warner Bros just threw off execute Jon Berg from working on the DCEU: https://io9.gizmodo.com/report-warner-bros-shaking-up-dceu-leadership-after-l-1821099044 Synder also looks like he’s getting the boot.
Well it’s their fault for hiring Snyder in the first place.
Curse you, Kingsman and Boss Baby! I despise you two for what you did to Ninjago and Power Rangers.
I don’t think Kingsman did anything to Ninjago, it’s probably the lesser known property of the two Lego films that they came out this year.
I don’t think Kingsman did anything to Ninjago, it’s probably the lesser known property of the two Lego films that they came out this year.
I’m sorry. It’s just that I got mad at reading it.
Kingsman wasn’t a roaring success either, made less money than the first with a higher budget.
We got the Biggest Loser of the Holiday Season-The Star!!! Lost in the shuffle that is Coco!!!
Looks like Coco beat out Justice League at the box office and is doing better than expected. Pretty much what I anticipated was going to happen. Not looking very good for Justice League and it’s looking more and more like a candidate for this list. http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/%e2%80%98coco%e2%80%99-conquers-thanksgiving-box-office-with-dollar71-million/ar-BBFHl86?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp
Looks like Coco ate into Justice League’s box office just like I thought it would: http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/%e2%80%98coco%e2%80%99-conquers-thanksgiving-box-office-with-dollar71-million/ar-BBFHl86?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=iehp. Justice League is looking more and more like a possibility for this list.
Free Fire?
Budget $7 million
Box office $3.8 million
Widest Release: 1,070 theaters
Should The Star Count? It Has A $20 Million Budget, And Made $9 Million On It’s Opening Weekend.
Nope. It’s not a bad start for a film with a small budget like this. But then again, this film is from the creators of ”The Emoji Movie”………………………………
Which was a hit by the way, think about that.
Yeah, I knew that. Still………………….
And it ended up making 62 million dollars worldwide. That’s solid for a low budgeted film like this, but not that good for a major released film. But considering the film’s small 20 million dollar budget and a small amount of money for marketing, that’s not bad at all. Still… … I digress. Never mind.
Did you guys see Justice League’s opening? Only $93 Million in the US & Canada, it was brutal.
Do you think it could possibly end up on this list? It opened in most international territories on the same weekend as the US, and it seems like its legs will be short given stiff competition (Coco, Thor, Wonder).
Are you sure? 93 million dollars is a good start! Sure, the film made less then what Warner Bros. expected, and yes, a 93 million dollar opening on a film that cost 300 MILLION DOLLARS to make and fix(not including marketing costs) is a little disappointing, but come on! It can still make money!
Actually, that’s a terrible start for Justice League and just shows that trying so hard to copy Marvel and rush the team ensemble movie was not a good idea. To put some things into perspective, this is the first DCEU film to open at less than a 100 million which for the team ensemble movie you would think would be ranking in all that dough and would be doing better than your other movies. To make things even worse… their initial projections for the film for opening weekend was $110โ120 million, but then they cut it back to 95 million and yet the film still came in below their expectations …TWICE… with only 93.8 mill! The worldwide opening is just as bad with initial projections at $215โ235 million but the film only ended up having a $185 million international debut from 65 countries including big ones like China and Mexico. You would expect this film to have already have $300 by now from opening weekend, but it didn’t and viewership is only going to decline going forward and it’s not like this film still has many more countries to debut in because it’s already debuted in pretty much all of them. Then there’s the fact that you have other movies coming out like Coco, Star Wars, Disaster Artist, The Shape of Water, etc that are going to compete with Justice League and that’s going to eat into their box office. It could very well end up being on this list. This coming week and the next few weeks will determine if this movie ends up being a disappointment or a money loser. Just to break even, the film is going to need a worldwide total from 600-750. I would not be surprised at all if it ends up on the list.
With P&A the costs may have reached $600 million.
The movie has now grossed $315 million worldwide. At this rate, I expect it to cover its budget easily.
The movie has grossed over $480 million worldwide, but it needs to reach about $825 million to break even on its approximately $450 million budget. As Tristan pointed out, Warners could potentially lose $50 to $100 million on the film.
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/11/justice-league-box-office-bomb-warner-bros-lose-100-million-1201900710/
I’ve read the Forbes article (https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/11/20/warner-bros-faces-a-possible-50m-to-100m-loss-on-justice-league), and it seems Tristan is right. That’s what happens when you inflate a budget to $300 million, though. You take a massive risk and you may soon regret it.
Well, that’s not the budget. With the 300 MILLION DOLLARS the film cost to make and reshoots, and the extra 150 million dollars Warner Bros. spent to market the movie, the total budget is really 450 MILLION DOLLARS. Add the fact that the film is expected to end it’s run with at least 650 million dollars worldwide(which is a great amount of money, except for a film that cost 300 MILLION DOLLARS TO MAKE AND RESHOOT, ), and the fact Warner Bros. is expected to lose at least 100 million dollars from this film. Yeah. Second big budget DC film to lose money after the awful ”Green Lantern” film from 2011(which had Taika Waititi, who directed “Thor: Ragnarok”(the film that STOLE this film’s thunder back in November), play a supporting role.). Yeah.
Freefire? Colossal? The Wall?
The wall was an extremely low budget movie that was made for 3m dollers it probably made it back also it was a limited release
Can Nut Job 2 finally just be put on here?
It deserves to be here, but the wait needs to be over!
The budget of “The Glass Castle” was revealed?
Geostorm? The Snowman?
Watched The Circle recently and boy was that a stinker. It was cheap though and pulled in close to $40m.
About The Snowman, I wrote this in an earlier comment: Not sure where this $35 million budget figure that is floating around came from. The Norway film commission has the budget at about $21 million — and that doesn’t appear to be after rebates. Seeing how 15% of the script wasn’t even shot, I can’t imagine its much higher.
Quite frankly I’m shocked that Geostorm hit $200 million. And is still pulling in millions each week. At this rate it does look like it’ll run out of gas before it comes anywhere near a break even point — but I’m holding off until its run is over.
The Circle and Their Finest both were named as disappointments by Europacorp, which contributed to them losing $84 million between around February and September, the main cause being Valerian, of course.
I’m still waiting for ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” to be on this list, even if it ended it’s run a long time ago. It made 40.1 million dollars worldwide on a 22 million dollar(which I think included marketing)(and I originally estimated the budget at 25 million dollars, but 22 million dollars is still close)budget, which is just terrible. It should be on this list.
Honestly, Valerian Should Be Off The List. it made 211 worldwide.
You need to add the advertising costs, which could have pushed the budget up to $300-400 million, plus the fact that theatre chains only pay distributors 55% of the gross
Unfortunately, only about 55% of that will go back to the studio. And of that $124 million, 60 million went for P&A, leaving about $64 million to offset the $178 million production budget.
Are you serious?! That movie more than deserves to be on this list.
Geostorm? The Forgeiner?
Are you sure we can’t add Spark? Even if it only played in 300 theaters, there’s no way it made a profit.
The film made 790,355 THOUSAND dollars on a 40 million dollar budget, so of course it deserves a spot on this list.
$40 million? It’s a cheap Canadian cartoon that apparently came in around $15 million. About a nickel was spent on marketing.
Yeah I’m pretty sure that budget was inflated. Still a flop no matter how you look at it though.
Oh yes. No matter if the budget was 15 million dollars or 40 million dollars, it’s still a HUGE flop.
Yeah, I agree. The film looks like it was made for 10-15 million dollars. No idea where that 25-30 million dollars added to the budget came from.
There’s one thing which I really don’t get it.
Mother and Blade Runner 2049 really flop that bad?
I think Amityville: The Awakening would be a good candidate now that it has grossed a mere $742.
Since it was only released in ten theatres, I have a feeling this movie won’t be covered, but since the last Amityville film grossed $108 million, it is a stark downturn, and I think this may be excepted and will be covered anyway.
Keeping that one off of here since its a cheap Blumhouse movie that got dumped online for free.
Jesus, I didn’t expect Suburbicon to flop as hard as it did.
It’s toast. Working on it. Will be up soon.
No interest in thank you for your service. My son and I are combat vets, us army, and we don’t like seeing actors play veterans. Let them serve then play vets.
Can we just put Detroit out of its misery now? I don’t see how Germany is going to help the box-office numbers.
It flopped bad too
when is detroit going to be put on the list?
It’s finally posted.
Thanks , BTW do you guys have an email?
After the site name change we haven’t updated the email yet. Soon we’ll get the contact page back up.
Is there any way i could help around the site?
Thank you for offering. Really not much to do at the moment. Will definitely get in touch in near future though!
ok ill wait
“Can we just put Detroit out of its misery now?” Ha. Yes, it will be posted soon.
You guys were right about mother!
So, are we going to see Geostorm on this list?
Lets see how it does in China.
So far it made around $33 Million in China, beating Blade Runner 2049.
At this rate, I believe Geostorm will lose money; but the international markets might soften the blow.
It cost 137 Worldwide.
What’s a hiccup?
Basically they ran into some difficulties trying to get the comments from the old site over to here.
The Snowman and Only the Brave should make this list too.
Not sure where this $35 million figure that is floating around came from. The Norway film commission has the budget at about $21 million — and that doesn’t appear to be after rebates. Seeing how 15% of the script wasn’t even shot, I can’t imagine its much higher.
Here’s another film that’s going to be a HUGE box office flop that’s coming out this week! ”Geostorm”! The film looks terrible and looks like another generic big budget disaster film with lots of CGI effects but nothing else on every level! I heard that that the film will NOT be screened for critics, AND it will make 10-15 million dollars on it’s opening weekend! And not to mention that the film cost 120 million dollars to make! Get ready!
Brave the loss. I think Geostorm will probably be WB’s second biggest flop this year, behind King Arthur.
Doesn’t help that unlike King Arthur, people don’t see any reason to rewatch Geostorm, so it’ll just be forgotten in the end. A massive bomb for Gerard Butler, indeed.
Bad news Bale Runner 2049 is a flop in the U. S., making $11 million in the second weekend, and $60.5 million so far. Sad, just like what the oringial got!!!
The original flopped thanks to ET, but here, I think it’s because of the $150 million budget plus P&A, and the slow market that’s plagued recent months.
Good Direction but too much deja vu (yawn!)
This flick reminds me of Terminator Genisys, which is based on an already established franchise. The difference is that BR is based on a novel (which some people disagree that it was more based on the animated feature Ghost on the Shell) while TG was more based on Cameron’s thriller Terminator.
It also reminds me of Batman Begins, where the focus was more an psychological drama over action.
I watched it in IMAX with Laser and it was nice. This resulted in bright images, especially the oceans, projected by dual projectors on the giant 42 feet high, 65 feet wide screen of IMAX, completely using the whole screen with a little of chopping the picture. The images are larger than life, but they don’t confuse the eye or strain the vision of the audience. Along with 12000 Watts IMAX proprietary sound system that was used very well for the sound editing! Viewing it in IMAX with Laser was spectacular. The visuals were dazzling.
Overall, it’s a 180 minutes (including trailer preview and numerous ads) one-time watch. Not to the grand level of the original but good enough for watching it in IMAX!
Spoiler Alert
Ford and Gosling fighting each other? How many times did we see this? First becomes fiends and then friends. Everyone knows what will happen to the villain. The hologram GF concept was good. The ending was also very predictable!
I got a complimentary ticket as there was some technical issue in the projector!
My significant digit score: 6.4/10
Where’s The Mummy (Tom Cruise version)? Heard it flopped big time.
Flopped stateside, but probably broke even in the long run thanks to the international box office.
Things don’t look too good for Blade Runner.
Kind of shocking that I believe My Little Pony only cost a fifth of what Blade Runner cost and given merchandise sales, ticket sales, and social media monetization, it will walk away with a modest profit. My Little Pony is doing better than Blade Runner, despite coming in 4th place at the box office. Blade Runner cost $150 million, and from the looks of it, will struggle to make a profit.
I will have some good news for you. ”My Little Pony: The Movie” only cost 5 MILLION DOLLARS to make! So for the 8 million dollars it made on it’s opening weekend, it’s still considered a success. Adding to the fact that it has now made 16 million dollars worldwide, already more than the 15 million dollars it needed to break even, and the film is still making a profit for Lionsgate. Yeah, sure, that’s a very lousy amount of money for a major film, but for a film that cost a very tiny amount of money like this? It’s actually very good! So it’s still considered a box office success!
Tristan, that budget figure you quoted may have been an early production cost but did not include advertising. Check out this link:
https://www.fimfiction.net/blog/766879/final-budget-for-my-little-pony-movie-revealed
The movie production and advertising costs were almost $30 million. MLP would need to gross close to $60 million to not lose money during its theatrical run. It would have to gross well over $60 mill to be considered successful.
Wow, never thought it would be that much. And considering it has just dropped 68% in its second week, I don’t have high hopes for its future prospects.
Well, oh no. Turns our it needs to make at least 60 million dollars JUST to break even! Then I was wrong! It will become a box office flop if it doesn’t make at least 60 million dollars worldwide!
The $150 million Blade Runner 2049 has worldwide revenue of $156 million ($60 million in USA & Canada, $95 million outside USA/Canada) so far in 9 days of release. It will get past $170 million before October 27 if it can average at least $1 million per day and then it will open in China and may be able to top $200 million before it and all other October releases are buried by Thor Ragnarok in the first week of November.
Hold on, it’s too early to say something about the Lego Ninjago Movie since it’s being released in France and the UK this week.
Agreed. It won’t make anywhere near the money The LEGO Movie made, but it will make enough.
Which is why we first must wait before anything.
Keep in mind, however, that the movie had a budget around $70 million so it would need to gross a lot more than the $90 million it’s taken in so far. Not sure how big the ad budget was either, but I’d give a wild guess that it would have to gross somewhere north of $200 million to break even.
The budget of The Lego Ninjago Movie is 70 million.
Why is The Mountain Between Us listed in the pending movies section?
The opening has been widely noted as being underwhelming for a $35 million film. Probably won’t make money in the long run.
American Assassin is a good candidate for this list.
It’s at $58m global with a $33m budget. I would imagine by the time it closes out of all markets it’ll be (roughly) break even? Still to be released in Spain, Italy, South Korea, and Norway. No idea if it’ll ever release in China? Probably not, but if it did would probably make up the rest of it’s budget deficit?
Where’s Transformers The Last Knight?
It was able to do well in the box office, making more than 605 million dollars worldwide. You won’t find it on this list at all.
It didn’t do well, it was a massive disappointment. It didn’t lose much money, but it didn’t make much either.
Well, for the disappointment part, I might agree with that. But since it still made money, Paramount will be perfectly fine.
Paramount’s been in crisis mode for the past two years. This needed to be a bigger hit than it was. Transformers and Mission Impossible have been the only two big franchises that they’ve had, and Transformers losing that status is a big deal.
Well I’m surprised it’s even on this list given that the movie was considered bad in every way and officially flopped at the US box office. What gives?
Sorry I meant to say that I’m suprised it’s NOT even on this list.
Tristan’s right, I’m afraid. It played below expectations, but in a poor summer, $605 million was a massive sum.
We got a new flop coming. for the first weekend of October-Flatliners! No, not the Julia Roberts one-it’s whatever they called it-a remake or a reboot!!! Too bad!!!
My god…I knew it would be bad…but I didn’t know it would be THIS bad…3%. Maybe the phrase “dead on arrival” is at its most apt here.
“Detroit” and “mother!” both deserve write-ups.
I think the Nut Job 2 will scrape a profit.
Detroit will flop, even though it’s not been released in France, Brazil or Germany as I write this.
I really don’t think Nut Job 2 will scrape a profit. It just recently cleared its production budget and it still hasn’t covered its P&A (print and advertising) costs yet.
Fair enough, although it hasn’t been released in Spain and France, and it’s out in Australia on August 2018 (don’t know why). Then again, looking at the first film’s stats –
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=nutjob.htm – , maybe you’re right – the movie will flop. We can only wait and see…
The studio had a lot riding on the franchise too, they had announced a stage show a few months ago.
Friend Request should be added as it performed way below expectations, even for a horror film. Not helping matters is that it was already released in foreign markets a year ago.
Friend Request only had a budget of $9.9 million. The person who runs this site likes to list movies that flopped that had a budget of $20+ million unless they have a significance to their failure if their budget is under $20 million. I guess Friend Request might fall into the latter category because it now holds the record for worst opening for a movie playing in at least 2,500 theaters ($2 million opening; previous record went to Victor Frankenstein with an opening of $2.5 million).
Not surprised, it was supposed to come out last year, but the studio kept changing the release date. It had dates for October, November, and December last year. I think the studio knew they had a bad film on their hands.
Mother! will probably end up flopping at this point due to the polarizing nature of the film. American Assassin is going to flop if it doesn’t do well internationally from here on out. If Stronger doesn’t become an awards contender, it’s not going to warrant its $30 million budget. Logan Lucky isn’t looking too good financially. The Nut Job 2 and Detroit are outright flops.
This has easily been the BIGGEST September in years, with ”It” dominating the box office and soon will become one of the biggest horror films ever, but with the new releases, I’m definitely concerned. I really was looking forward to ”Kingsman: The Golden Circle”, even though it was rated R, but the mediocre reviews it got made me not bother. But the film I’m really concerned about the most is ”The Lego Ninjago Movie”. I really loved ”The Lego Movie”, and ”The Lego Batman Movie” was great fun, too, but after seeing the MIXED reception the film got(49 percent on Rotten Tomatoes compared to the 96 percent and 91 percent ”The Lego Movie” and ”The Lego Batman Movie” got on the same site respectively), I wasn’t very compelled to see it in theaters. Maybe if it comes out on DVD and Blu-Ray, I might take a look at it, I suppose?
Do you seriously rely on some paid critic’s opinion. It’s your choice, don’t let the critics influence it.
Yes, I do.
Just would like to tell you that it’s not a disappointment. If you have time sometime go out and see it. It’s really solid.
Oh really. I’m still waiting for the Blu-Ray when it comes out.
Where’s “Detroit”? It flatlined. “mother!” has cratered. We’ve had two F movies this year.
Detroit got an A- from Cinemascore.
And no boxoffice.
Jennifer Lawrence’s Mother looks like it’s going to end up flopping. The film has an F grade on CinemaScore meaning audiences hate this film and the film currently has a worldwide total of 13.5 mill against a 30 million budget. Not good for Jennifer Lawrence. IT is eating into it’s box office gross. http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/%E2%80%98it%E2%80%99-targets-dollar58-million-2nd-weekend-while-audiences-pan-%E2%80%98mother%E2%80%99/ar-AAs0UYA?ocid=iehp Don’t see Mother! The film is god awful and is trying to be artsy just for the sake of being arts. Plus, really gross imagery.
So, are The Dark Tower or The Nut Job 2 going to be on this list?
The Dark Tower is at $107.3m and pulled in $3.5m last weekend. At this point I have no idea if it will land a China release. Holding off for now.
“Detroit” and “The Nut Job 2” should be added to this list as well.
The Nut Job 2 has some major markets it will open in the upcoming months — just waiting to see how it performs. Detroit on the other hand looks like its a money loser — holding off on the slightest of slight chances it emerges in a few offshore markets as a serious award contender and pulls in ok numbers.
We got a couple of new losers this weekend of Irma:
Home Again
Charlie Sheen’s 9/11
Did anyone see 9/11? $400 per screen average for the entire weekend? Another dud for John Aglialoro who funded the lousy Atlas Shrugged movies.
What about The Circle?
The Circle earned $20 million on a $18 million budget in the US and there was very little marketing so it appears to be a break even or, at worse, a small loss for its studio and distributor. Everyone still loves Tom Hanks, Emma Watson, & John Boyega so it’s not a career-breaker for its acting star although it does not bode well for its director & co-producer James Ponsoldt.
Anyone for Leap! (Or, Ballerina, whatever they called that)?
How about Surmfs: The Lost Village???
Leap made a ton overseas and TWC bought domestic rights for only a few million. It’ll wind up profitable for just about everyone. Smurfs did alright overseas, so it might have broken even or even made some money.
Tv series shows are in. No one wants to leave their house anymore.
How about Kidnap???
Wound up being quite profitable for the distributors. Spent only $3 million buying it and about mid-teens paying for advertising.
Not only were this summer’s films horrible in comparison to summers past, but the box office was horrible too. Rotten Tomatoes, too many sequels and reboots, big budgets, competition from Netflix and Amazon, the fading of star power, and many others played a role in making this summer dreadful. Granted, My Little Pony: The Movie does not have the kind of audience a Disney movie would have, and an even smaller unexpected demographic called bronies, yet given the low cost of Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie, also made in Canada, I wouldn’t be too surprised if MLP had a similar budget and managed to make back it’s money in all worldwide territories that it will get distribution in, along with merchandise sales coming along with the movie. The demographic reasons are why the box office analysts are leaving out MLP in their fall forecast, pinning their hopes on movies like IT, Kingsman: The Golden Circle, The Lego Ninjago Movie, Blade Runner 2049, Thor: Ragnarok, Justice League, and Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi. They are really Victorian minded.
Life was a flop? Liked the movie even though it was a lot like Alien.
Here’s another turkey to check out: “The Layover”, a so-called comedy directed by actor William H. Macy, has a 0% rating on Rotten Tomatoes! As I said before, it’s not easy to get a 0% on RT, so this movie must be really bad (by contrast, “The Emoji Movie” got an 8% and “Tulip Fever” an equally dismal 11%!)
The film also apparently sat on the shelf for 2 years, filming was completed in June 2015.
Valerian?The Nut Job 2?
Valerian is posted now, I’ll bet it won’t be long for Nut Job 2 to get a spot here. It hasn’t even recouped it’s budget yet.
What about Baywatch???
The international box office bailed it out. You won’t see the movie here.
Get prepared for Tulip Fever to be added!
I think it’s time we add Valerian. The foreign box office isn’t helping it much.
Also, were there any bombs during one of the worst box office weekends in 15 years?
Lastly for Ghost in the Shell, it was a sad day when it began WITHOUT its original beginning soundtrack provided by Kenji Kawai. The fact that such an important first frame musical track was needed made audiences angry once it started without it. Second, Scarlett Johansson playing the Major was a bad move. Since the main character was Asian in the 1995 animation version it should stand to reason that the lead actor should also take the role who is of the Japanese guild of actors. Why mess with something so incredibly profound such as this film? Again as I mentioned below with the Dark Tower, run of the mill directors should not take the helm. They should have asked Mamorou Oshii to direct the film since his visionary prowess would have cemented the entire fan base along with Kenji’s haunting music making this cult fan favorite a possible Oscar winner. Yet as before producers do not care about quality, they care only about what the next financial bloom is going to be using high tech special effects without a story base to go along with it. The only scene which I did like in the entire film was the hand to hand combat segment between apartment buildings with the Major, and her runner. That was the most poignant example of the film which was genuine. At least they got that one right. Other than that the rest fell short for continuous distractions such as holographic images through out the city, which the animation had very little of. There was no need to add such ludicrous scenes. All in all, not a bad attempt but… not a great one either. Hopefully they will ask Mamorou to direct a redo with an all star Japanese cast.
The reason Valerian failed was because nobody in america knew of its origin. Basically it come from a French comic of the same name. Its popularity in France is compared to Bleach or Naruto manga comics in Japan as well as other countries. Yet the movie itself is a blossoming vision of Luc Besson who directed The Fifth Element, which did fantastic at the box office. Perhaps if France’s version of Comicon landed in America written in English it would have created a new fan following. Alas that did not happen. Thus the story itself seemed too convoluted in order for the audience to make any sense of it all. Still for its lack of story understanding it held massive amounts of special effects which to me was a breathtaking example of Luc’s imagination. He can still blow audiences away with his collaboration with the film crews to make his mark in the movie industry. If anything other than directing, he has the fortitude to amaze teen minds all over the world. I’d say if america was to read this story from first book to last then maybe just maybe they could appreciate its message overall. Sadly though… Luc must contend with the narrow minded critics of america because of the fact it was not american made. Still… kudos to Luc Besson for his wild thrill ride in our solar system.
The worst thing about The Dark Tower was that it was too short. By any standard the Stephen King adaptation needed a lot of character development in order for the audience to appreciate each role build otherwise it was just a free for all special effect circus. Needless to say Idriss Elba was magnificent in his role as the gunslinger just like the novel character. Yet for some reason I could not get used to Tom Taylor who played Jake. In the novel he was more progressive, hardened and up to the tasks that the gunslinger provided. It just goes to show that run of the mill directors often take the short easy way out with a big paycheck as well as the producers. This was a debacle from the very beginning frame to the last. Great actors but it hardly made up for its lack of content, plot, theme, and emotional turmoil that every character had to endure in the story, which was missing entirely. I hope in the future if someone were to redo this classic tale of good versus, and evil then at least get someone who knows the real story not just some skip reader. If I were to finance this film… then it would be Peter Jackson who should take the directing lead or at least James Cameron. Both know the scoped vision on how to create a grandiose movie in its entirety such as this fan favorite.
So will Valerian get added?
It’ll be up in a few days.
Holy cow! Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets looks to lose 200mil. When all’s said and done.
Yesterday’s New York Post tipped me to another potential bomb: TWC’s “Tulip Fever”, a movie that had been sitting on the shelves for three years and is only coming out Labor Day weekend…Judging by its “red band” trailer, it looks to be yet another conventional sex-fest, only set in 17th century Holland. There seems to be bad buzz about this film; what do you think?
Unless it has some Oscar buzz around it, there’s no way it will make back its money. It cost $25 million to make and it’s being released on Labor Day weekend, which is historically one of the worst weekends at the box office. Also, Birth of the Dragon will probably end up on this list unless it makes a lot of money overseas. I found a Variety article stating that it cost $31 million to produce. That’s just production costs, I don’t have the P&A numbers but I imagine they are on the lower side considering the film opened in under 2,000 theaters.
Birth of the Dragon won’t lose very much money for the distributors, since they bought it for cheap and have very targeted advertising. It’s more meant for promotion for a VOD release anyways.
It won’t lose money for the distributors, but it might lose money for the production company, though. Even though it’s flopping in the U.S., I could see Birth of the Dragon doing really well in China considering the movie is about Bruce Lee and it’s a kung fu movie.
Unfortunately, Logan Lucky looks like it might be on the list. May be too early to tell, but it’s definitely one to watch. Shame too, it was pretty good.
It still has many countries left to expand to but I won’t be shocked if it does make the list. I think Logan Lucky fell victim to bad timing. Releasing the same weekend as The Hitman’s Bodyguard was not a smart move since they both arguably targeted similar audiences. Had it been released later in the year, maybe it could have been a different story.
It doesn’t strike me as an easy sell abroad, since it has a pretty narrow focus on American culture.
”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” has ended it’s domestic run. It should now be on this list.
I thought it ended weeks ago.
According to Box Office Mojo, it got a puny $4,656 (76th) for a total of $20,738,724 domestically, and $18,144,385 for a total of $38,883,109. It cost $22 million to make but I can’t find anything on the advertising costs. May have just got back some money, like Norm in the North.
It actually ended on Friday. It did terrible. I think it’s budget included marketing costs.
Sadly, “Logan Lucky” is going to be on here.
Yesterday, ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” ended it’s domestic run. Safe to say, it’s ready for this list.
Come on…. put ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” here no matter what.
I think we can all agree that Valerian deserves a page at this point. The cost of making the movie and the advertising spend could have been as much as $400 million, but in America it finished 8th in the box office in only its second week. It has a global box office return of $90 million, which doesn’t even cover the cost to make the movie, let alone the advertising spend.
It looks like its toast, but just waiting on the China numbers. It’s a market I’m completely out of tune with and can never predict what will play favorably or not.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/china/?yr=2017&wk=33&p=new
Valerian did godawful in China. Fair enough to give it a chance though – China is known for saving other films from being a box office flop.
“Detroit” and “Nut Job 2” are cratering.
“The Nut Job 2” collected $8.9 million,but cost $ 40 million.
It also has the worst opening for a film opening in 4,000 theatres. It was released in so many because, until recently, the US distributor (Open Road Films) was a joint venture between the two biggest American cinema chains, Regal and AMC.
Dunkirk destroyed Valerian
Keep your eye on Detroit. Its sadly looking like it will be on the list with a $34 million budget and $7 million expansion
The Dark Tower and Valerian are ones to look at as well.
I’m calling it now. Annabelle 2 is gonna be a massive hit. It has gotten solid reviews, it’s only cost 1.1 million to make, and fans for the Conjuring franchise are a very loyal base.
Detroit has now closed its run with just over $16 million domestically.
Valerian looking like a lock for a future spot on this list. Might be the last time Besson gets to play with big money.
Besson has had big budget disasters before, like the $99m Arthur 3 which lost over $25m and made no fiscal sense for even being made. EuropaCorp is his studio, has a gazillion global investors and it’s hard to imagine his own board not approving a big budget for any of his movies. Maybe if there’s a shareholder revolt…
Good info…maybe I will short ECP stock.
It’s losing 1,758 screens this weekend. If it doesn’t pick up internationally, then it’ll earn a page.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/counts/chart/?yr=2017&wk=31&p=.htm
OH, NO! I’m guessing that this will be the last time Luc Besson gets to do a massive budget project. Really sad, but I still have hope for overseas.
Kind of a shame, too. I just saw it yesterday, and while it wasn’t great, I still had a fun time watching it. Looked great in 3D, and had a ton of creativity and charm with the world of Alpha.
I agree with you. Same here. Not great, but I still enjoyed it, and it looked excellent in 3D.
GET READY TO PUT ”The Emoji Movie” ON THIS LIST! IT’S GETTING EXTREMELY ABYSMAL REVIEWS(even worse than even ”Norm of The North”), WITH A 0 PERCENT ON ROTTEN TOMATOES AND AN 8 OUT OF 100(I’m not even kidding) ON METACRITIC. AND THE FACT THAT IT WILL BE RELEASED IN MORE THAN 4,000 THEATERS JUST MAKES ME WISH.
It isn’t easy to get a 0% rating on RT…it’s got to be a real bomb, especially coming from a major studio (Sony)!
OF COURSE!
And worst of all is that I’M GOING TO SEE THIS ABOMINATION ABOUT A WEEK AFTER IT COMES OUT! AND I’M GOING TO GIVE IT A BIG 0/10! MAYBE EVEN A 0/100000000!
Why are you even checking out that garbage in theaters? Even that Halle Berry Taken ripoff movie Kidnap looks better than The Emoji Movie. At least I could picture Kidnap being laughably bad, but The Emoji Movie just makes me lose hope.
I’m seeing it no matter what, even though I know it’s going to be an abysmal film. And also, I saw the film’s only positive review today. Common Sense Media (sort of) liked it, and gave it a 3/5, WHICH IS TOO EXCELLENT FOR A FILM LIKE THIS! But that’s coming from the same site who didn’t care about films like ”Dunkirk” ”Interstellar”, and ”Baby Driver”(”Dunkirk” is a incredible film, ”Interstellar” is a great film, and though I haven’t seen ”Baby Driver”, I imagine it would be great too.)It still has a 0% on Rotten Tomatoes. It now has a 9/100 on Metacritic, which is a tiny improvement, but it is still very abysmal. But for ”Kidnap”, that film looks like it was made 5 years ago, and it was supposed to be released 1-2 years ago. Why.
I can tell you why Kidnap has been delayed so many times. The original distributor, Relativity Media, went through Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2015. Kidnap was filmed in 2014 and was originally supposed to be released on October 9. 2015 but got pushed back 4 times and was even removed from the release schedule at one point but it’s finally coming out next weekend from a new distributor, Aviron Pictures, and it is their first film as a distributor.
I think the only reason why The Emoji Movie is going to make money this weekend is because the last animated movie that was released in theaters was Despicable Me 3 and that was about a month ago. Also, keep in mind that kids are still out of school.
That’s exactly what I thought, too.
I saw ”The Emoji Movie” today. Wow, what an abysmal film it was. Not only did it have all of the bad things I talked about, but I found out one thing. It’s one of the most mean spirited films I have ever seen. Never I had ever ran out of the theater(I didn’t do that with ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”, and thankfully I didn’t see ”Norm Of The North” in theaters)until this film at the end, and that’s what I did with this film. This was THE WORST FILM OF 2017. I had to survive 86 DREADFUL MINUTES of my biggest survival movie round EVER. I will say it again, the animation of the humans do look nice, and at least the films message(Be Yourself) is very beautiful, but put that in an abysmal movie and you have a disaster waiting to happen. Really, Sony? I would never THINK to see a film of this abysmal quality ever, ever, ever again. If ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” was the ”Nine Lives”(my second worst film of 2016, also an abysmal 0/10 film) of 2017, than this film would easily be the ”Norm Of The North” of 2017. Wow. Just wow.
Plus, prepare for the review I’m preparing on Word! GET READY!
Baywatch closed at $170,761,372 on a 69 million budget
Haven’t had a blue ray release yet. Did it make enough?
It usually takes 3 months for movies that were released theatrically to go to DVD, Blu-Ray, and streaming services. Baywatch came out on May 25 and it will be released to streaming on August 15 and DVD and Blu-Ray on August 29. Also, Baywatch did make a profit.
Never mind, then. ”Baywatch” did decent in the box office, especially since it was the overseas(Yay, German David Hasselhoff fans) market that saved the film from being a total flop. It was only a few million dollars away from making it’s break even point of 210 million dollars, even if it didn’t quite make it. Yeah, sure, it got awful reviews from critics and audiences and was a flop in the USA, but thanks to overseas, it made a lot more money than I expected, so it won’t end up on this list, no matter how much I wanted to. ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” has made about 37 million dollars worldwide, which is a little better than I expected, but it’s still terrible. I think it’s ready for this list.
$210 million? Why that high?
Well, because, 3 times budget= break even.
Baywatch is still racking up money overseas. It’s now at 176 million
That’s good.
Woah. Calm down. First of all, the Emoji movie is (sadly) doing okay at the box office in terms of opening. It opened to $10 million and reached number one at the box office. I know that doesn’t sound a lot, but this is on a $50 million budget, so that means the film has already reached 1/5 of it’s budget (not accounting for advertising). Also, it’s WAY too early to tell if it’s going to do well. Yes the reviews are an incredibly obvious omen and a significant blow to this “film,” but also account parents who ignore
Critical reviews and people who want to see the film out of irony. This “film” could bank on that to survive. I’m not trying to rain on your parade; I hate the sight of this film, too. It reeks of soullessness, poor decision-making, and worst of all, laziness. And I, too, want to see this bomb so that no other studio would go so low in the sacrifice of artistic integrity. I’m just offering a perspective on this Hollow coffin to creativity.
As for the Dark Tower, again, it’s way too early to tell if it’ll bomb.
The reviews for ”The Dark Tower” came out, and they are… bad. Not ”The Emoji Movie” bad, but just plain bad. An 20% on Rotten Tomatoes and a 39% on Metacritic is enough to make Stephen King fans angry, but the things that I talked about(like the film’s 95 minute running time and the PG-13 rating) could be the reason why the critics didn’t care about it, but the confusing story could be why it’s not getting good reviews. But compared to films like ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” and especially ”The Emoji Movie”, the film looks much better in comparison, but for the amount of bad films I saw this year, I’m not even going to waste my time. I’m sorry, but it’s true. Yeah, sure, the film is expected to make a decent 25-30 million dollars in the box office on it’s opening weekend, and might even top the box office as well, but still.
I got my chance to see bits of ”The Dark Tower” recently. What a TERRIBLE movie. Glad I didn’t see it in theaters.
Emoji is kicken @$$. Just goes to show what people think other people want is not always easy to guess.
I think there are 2 kinds of people who are seeing The Emoji Movie: families desperate to see an animated movie (keep in mind, there hasn’t been a new one in theaters since Despicable Me 3 a month ago) and people who are watching it ironically (even though I hear it’s too boring to warrant that audience).
Rough Night:
Production Budget: $20 million
Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $21,781,082 58.8%
+ Foreign: $15,249,739 41.2%
= Worldwide: $37,030,821
Movie makers get roughly 55% of the box office. A 20 million budget would need over 40 mil to just break even. The cheap horror flicks that make 100 mil on a 3 mil budget, make tons more than a lot of so called blockbusters that cost 200 mil+.Look at the latest transformers movie. Pulled in tons of cash, but cost tons of cash. Studios need to stop making expensive movies like valerian. Man that is going to lose 150 mil+.
The advantage of Valerian is that the movie got resources for its budget like an independent movie,due to huge pre sales and taxes. We could say its the most expensive independent movie ever. So,even if the movie bombs in USA, Luc Besson and his studio dont have much to lose, in fact, the movie could do much less than its budget and STILL manage make revenue.
I hope it bombs
Why?
Whatever the outcome, I want to check it out in 3D while it’s still playing in my theater.
Me too. I actually really like these kinds of sci-fi.
Valerian will lose 150 million+. I love it when big movies bomb because I am sick of movie companies tossing us crap.
I disagree with that point of view. I want bad movies to do bad, I dont just desire a movie that is big but fairly decent to do bad. Like,Im happy for the flop of Monster Trucks,but the flop of Star Trek Beyond made me sad. That doesnt help the industry. Especially a movie like Valeriam that is a “new” IP. Cinema needs new franchises outside Marvel/DC.
I agree with you, too. I want bad movies to do bad, while I want good movies to do good. Remember ”Blade Runner 2049”? That film DID NOT deserve to become the box office flop it was. Same with ”Star Trek: Beyond” and ”Kubo and the Two Strings”, too. They deserved to do good.
But it hasn’t even come out in most overseas territories yet! Why?
Valerian opens tomorrow. Will it be the bomb we all anticipated, or will it surprise us?
It bombed.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=valerian.htm
Oof.
Guess I’ll have to hope Dunkirk is good enough to keep Emoji Movie from the top spot.
”Dunkirk” topped the box office again! Yes!
Scarlet has 2 bombs this year
She’s only after the paycheck; quality of the movie isn’t important lol
Rough Night
Hollywood getting involved in politics hurts their industry. Instead of staying neutral and enjoying the patronage of both ideologies, they alienate a very large portion of their potential audience.
Wahlberg and Washington seem to be the ones intelligent enough to realize this. Maybe that’s why they are mega stars
Some of Wahlberg’s last movies were about a terrorist attack, an oil spill, soldiers in Iraq and the toxic nature of the American Dream, while Denzel has played Steve Biko, a football coach during desegregation, a professor of a black college during Jim Crow, a wrongfully imprisoned boxer and Malcolm X. Them being entirely apolitical is dishonest at best.
Cars 3 is coming out today here in the UK. I’m sure it will do well and I don’t think it will do a “Good Dinosaur” – that is flop.
Also, about the Emoji Movie – there has been a lot of hate attached to this movie. Same with “Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” and “Ghostbusters (2016)”. Both flopped. Yes, emojis do have commercial appeal – I’m just saying.
By the way, according to Box Office Mojo, “Long Haul” got $20 million in the US box office – pretty terrible, considering that, for example, “Guardians of the Galaxy 2” got over $380 million in the US alone. So where’s the page for “Long Haul”? You’ve already done “House”.
YEAH! WHERE IS THAT PAGE FOR ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”? IT SHOULD BE ON HERE BY NOW!
please calm down. this is not a big deal.I am talking to you tristan michels
Yeah, where is it?
YEAH, WHERE IS IT????
“Unbreakable”, “The Circle”, “Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”, and “Rough Night” should all be added to this list.
You mean ”Unforgettable”. Also, ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul” should be ending it’s run by now. It will be on this list.
Oh, and for some odd reason, ”The Emoji Movie” is expected to end it’s run with at least 100 million dollars in the USA. THAT’S WAY TOO GOOD FOR A FILM LIKE THAT! WHY?
Emojis sell merchandise somehow.
Sausage Party’s success at least opens up the possibility of more, better mainstream adult animated movies.
From what we’ve seen so far, nothing good can come from The Emoji Movie.
That’s not a knock on Sausage Party, is it? I like that movie.
No. I liked it too.
Terrible sequels from The Emoji movie ๐
I have really high hopes for ”Spider-Man: Homecoming”, ”War For The Planet of the Apes”, and ”Dunkirk”. ”Valerian and the City Of A Thousand Planets” looks fantastic visually, but I heard it will make about 20 million dollars on it’s opening weekend, which is not very good for a film that cost 220 MILLION DOLLARS TO MAKE!
Tristan, think you’re about 40 million off your figure for Valerian. Both Box Office Mojo and Indie Wire have the budget at $180 million.
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/07/valerian-luc-besson-180-million-indie-cara-delevingne-dane-dehaan-europacorp-1201851376/
Oh, really. Wikipedia has the budget equal to 220 million US dollars.
Just kidding. The budget really is 180 million US dollars. The reviews are starting to come out, and while they are respectable so far, having a 73 percent on Rotten Tomatoes, there is a question. Are good reviews enough to make a movie successful?
And the answer is…not really. Many critical darlings have floundered at the box office. Though Valerian may have more mass appeal than some of those critically lauded films. Only time will tell.
But by the way, ”Dunkirk” is getting incredible reviews from critics so far, with a 98 percent on Rotten Tomatoes and a 97 out of 100 on Metacritic, but I feel that the film’s 45-50 million dollar opening weekend predictions are too low. I expect the film to open with at least 80 million dollars or maybe even 100 million dollars, and to be honest, since the film doesn’t have much CGI as films like ”Inception” and ”Interstellar”(which were both by Christopher Nolan, who directed all 3 films), I’m expecting the budget to be at least 125-150 million dollars because of this. Still really looking forward to it.
My prediction is way off! Dunkirk got 95% while Valerian got 72%.
Who do you think is going to dethrone Apes at the BO#1- Valerian or Dunkirk?
Dunkirk, no question. I want to see both Dunkirk and Valerian though. I hear from many people that Valerian looks spectacular in 3D.
It bombed in the USA. Now has a 52% on Rotten Tomatoes. No way it’s going to make its 210 million dollar budget back in the USA, but I do have hope for overseas. Still going to see it, and in fact, I’m seeing it in 3D. Heard the 3D was one of the best things about the film.
I saw ”Dunkirk” twice. One time in regular 2D, and one time in IMAX(It wasn’t IMAX 70mm, which I heard was the best way to see the film, but it was Laser IMAX. It still rocked though.) Incredible film both times, but it was better in IMAX, because it was filmed with IMAX cameras, making you see more of what’s going on. Sound rocked as well. Super loud, but worth it. Christopher Nolan, you rock, and unlike a certain director named Michael Bay, you know how to make a big budget film that knows what it wants to do, and become a classic. It’s my favorite film of 2017 so far, but until ”Star Wars: The Last Jedi” comes out. That film is going to blow ”Dunkirk” out of the gate.
As for ”Valerian And The City Of A Thousand Planets”, it’s a decent film, and better than what most critics gave it. It’s an incredible film to look at visually. Industrial Light And Magic and Weta Digital should be very proud of themselves for making such a beautifully looking film. It’s easily a fantastic 2 hours and 20 minutes worth of eye candy, and in 3D(which was the version I saw), it looks even more fantastic. Sure, the story is not good, and just like many of Luc Besson’s recent films, it goes for a more style over substance(or visuals over story) route,
Looking at Inception and Interstellar’s openings, I doubt Dunkirk will reach that high.
Nolan’s only films that grossed $100+ Million are The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises. Both of which probably made so much due to the praise from Batman Begins, and the recognition the Batman franchise has. Dunkirk, being it’s own film, and a war film on top of that, lacks at least the latter advantage.
I still stand by my $40-45 Million prediction, but I think a $50-60 Million opening would be more likely, due to the positive buzz.
But hey, to each his own.
Anyway, hope you enjoy the film! I’m planning on seeing it this weekend with family, in 70MM IMAX just to get the full experience.
Not true, actually. Turns out that the real budget for ”Valerian and The City Of A Thousand Planets” is a MASSIVE 210 MILLION US DOLLARS! GOOD LUCK MAKING THAT IN THE USA!
I have the feeling that with good word-of-mouth and reviews, Valerian might over perform significantly; there’s already plenty of positive buzz on social media to boot.
I could be wrong though, Dunkirk has Christopher Nolan to sell it.
I think it could do well, if it didn’t have to compete with 3 BLOCKBUSTERS! (”Spider-Man: Homecoming”, ”War For The Planet Of The Apes”, and ”Dunkirk”.)
Dunkirk and Apes will certainly take a bite out of Valerian’s chances, but maybe it could outclass Spider-Man (by then, it’ll be two weeks after release).
I dunno, maybe I’m stretching it a bit too far.
Well, maybe. I’m very sure ”Spider-Man: Homecoming” could have the same long legs ”Wonder Woman” had. As for the other 2 films, I’m expecting good things from them as well.
My prediction is way off! Dunkirk got 95% while Valerian got 72%.
Who do you think is going to dethrone Apes at the BO#1..
Valerian or Dunkirk?
Dunkirk, for sure. I just hope that Valerian does okay, at least for Luc Besson’s sake.
Dunkirk got 95% while Valerian got 72%.
Who do you think is going to dethrone Apes at the BO#1…
Valerian or Dunkirk?
Chances are that Valerian and the City Of A Thousand Planets will flop as there is too much competition in the market.
It will most likely bomb domestically (hoping that it opens higher than the predictions say), but it might be saved overseas.
After all, it has been approved for a Chinese release (they love spectacle), and I think Valerian and Laureline still has a following in Europe (specifically France).
My prediction is way off! Dunkirk got 95% while Valerian got 72%.
Who do you think is going to dethrone Apes at the BO#1…
Valerian or Dunkirk?
Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul, All Eyez On Me, The Lost City of Z, and The Zookeeper’s Wife should have pages added on here. If the numbers don’t improve for Cars 3 (it just now cleared its production budget after 2.5 weeks), it may need a page added as well.
Well, ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”, ”The Lost City of Z”(despite getting great reviews from critics), and ”The Zookeeper’s Wife” should be on here. As for ”All Eyez On Me”, I’m still not sure yet.
To break even, All Eyez On Me would need to make about (give or take) $80 million. After being out for a month, it’s only made $54 million worldwide. The box office was boding well when it overperformed on its opening weekend with $26 million but it dropped off hard the next weekend in the U.S. (the place where most of its money was going to be made anyway). I mean a 78% second weekend drop is pretty damning and it hasn’t improved ever since. The international BO wasn’t going to help out either so it’s pretty safe to call All Eyez On Me a flop at this point.
That’s not how it works. A film needs to make at least 3 times it’s budget to break even or become a success. As for ”All Eyez On Me”, it did well on it’s opening weekend, but floundered on it’s second weekend and hasn’t improved. I think it could be on this list if it doesn’t get better, which would very likely happen.
I don’t know where you got that “at least 3 times its budget to break even or become a success” info from because in reality, it depends on a movie to movie basis. For example, Luc Besson recently announced that for Valerian to break even and justify a sequel, it would have to make at least $350 million worldwide. Keep in mind that the budget for Valerian is $180 million and break even point of $350 million is just shy of twice the budget.
He assumed it, or read it somewhere. I was always told twice it’s budget but if domestically takes a dive then a film could lose a lot more
Again, that’s not how it works. The final budget for ”Valerian and The City of A Thousand Planets” is a WHOPPING 210 million US dollars! It actually needs to make at least 630 million dollars to break even, and good luck making that if it doesn’t do well overseas!(and I say overseas, because I know the film won’t do well in the USA)
I’m sad to say it, but despite excellent reviews from critics and audiences, and a decent start at the box office, if ”War For The Planet Of THE Apes” keeps dropping in the box office (it jumped from number 1 to number 4) last weekend, it’s going to be sadly on this list.
Nope, ”War For The Planet Of The Apes” did very good at the box office, making almost 500 million dollars(490 million dollars to be exact) worldwide on a 150 million dollar budget. No way it will be on this list now.(BY THE WAY, IT’S ONE OF THE BEST FILMS OF 2017!!!!!!!)
2017 seems to be shaping up to be the year of franchise fatigue. Other than the superhero movies and Furious 8, pretty much every sequel is underperforming compared to its predecessors. Smurfs, Underworld, Resident Evil, xXx (although a huge gap between films probably didn’t help), even juggernaut franchises like Transformers, Pirates of the Caribbean, and Cars aren’t doing as well as the previous films. Even Despicable Me 3 had a lower opening weekend than 2 and Minions.
Now inform me that did you watch and enjoy any of these? Sometimes, flop films can be surprising.
I’ve seen Cars and plan on seeing Despicable Me. The rest didn’t appeal to me.
And on top of that, “Cinematic Universes” aren’t doing quite as hot as expected either – Kong lagged behind Godzilla, The Mummy pretty certainly underperformed expectations for a franchise, Alien: Covenant barely made it to profitability.
Kong grossed 566M Godzilla grossed like 530M…
I seem to have been looking at older Worldwide gross. Well, we are certain to get two more then.
They are planning a Kong vs Godzilla movie.
XXX flopped in so many markets including US. China saved that film.
Why is The House on here?? It was just released a few days ago.
The House cost $40 million before advertising. It made $9 million its opening weekend. I don’t think it’ll do very well.
Hollywood would rather destroy all classics and new topics than hire
starving writers who can write original stories and scripts. I cannot
recall any recent movie which I felt like watching again, one after
another pointless garbage.
Hollywood would rather destroy all classics and new topics than hire starving writers who can write original stores and scripts. I cannot recall any recent movie which I felt like watching again, one after another pointless garbage.
The House may need an entry sometime.
That film just opened to roughly $9 million against its $40 million budget. Get ready for this one!
Summer Movies:
”Wonder Woman”(saw it already, and it was incredible) YES!
”The Mummy” NO!
”Cars 3”(didn’t see that one, but heard respectable things about it) Maybe…
”Transformers: The Last Knight”(saw that one, and it was really terrible) NO!
”Baby Driver”(not going to see it because it’s rated R, but looks great) YES!
”Despicable Me 3”(getting above average reviews so far, with a 65 percent on Rotten Tomatoes, still looking forward to it) YES!
”Spider-Man: Homecoming” YES!
”War For The Planet Of The Apes” YES!
”Dunkirk” YES!
”Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets” Maybe…
”The Emoji Movie” ABSOLUTELY NO!
”The Dark Tower” Maybe…
Cars 3 is a one-time watch. Baby Driver- will try to watch at home.
How about Despicable Me 3 and Spider-Man: Homecoming?
”Despicable Me 3” was pretty good. ”Spider-Man: Homecoming” definitely looks awesome!
”Spider-Man: Homecoming” was awesome!
A moment to rejoice! After a long time the critics are totally in sync with me. Yesterday, I was watching Enemy and 10 days ago I was watching Transformers 5, and both of them sucked badly! But today, I found something refreshing. This is the best Spider-man movie ever made!
It may have taken 15 years, 6 movies, 3 different lead actors, 2 reboots but Spidey finally has shown redemption.
Sony’s Spider reboot in 2014 was a disaster. From the villain to 3D, every element sucked. This new reboot places the media- hyped and over-rated “The Amazing Spider-Man” franchise into the hall of shame.
Spiderman is just a teenage boy..but Tony Stark can convince any one. Even us. In the trailer, he mentions “If you are nothing with the suit, you don’t deserve it!” The question is: Can Spider-man carry it’s own weight in the near future without Iron-man? I mean that he was also utilized in Captain America: Civil War.
Hats off to Michael Keaton from his transition to Batman to Vulture. The best villain after Doc Oct (2004). He also highlights today’s situation that since the world has change, so should we.
I totally agree with that. Thanks.
I hope that there is no DM-4
Looks like you hate the ”Despicable Me” franchise. I still enjoy those films. We all have different opinions.
I’m going to see “Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets” because it’s Luc Besson’s passion project, and his passion sells it for me…and it’s going to flop so spectacularly, that this is basically going to be the last chance that I’m going to get to see him ever work with a large budget, ever again. I might as well do what I can to cut the poor fellow’s losses.
Don’t worry. I’m looking forward to it for the same reasons, but I do know the film will do well overseas, especially in Europe.
I might see Valerian when it comes out, too. I liked what I saw of The Fifth Element, and this film gave me more interest than Dunkirk (I’d probably catch that later due to 70MM IMAX). I don’t want it to flop either, despite that being inevitable.
Chances are that Valerian and the City Of A Thousand Planets will flop as there is too much competition in the market!
Chances are that Valerian and the City Of A Thousand Planets will flop as there is too much competition in the market.
What are you 6 years old and cant see an R rated movie? Baby driver is the best movie to come out this year so far
I’m 14 years old. I need to be 17 to see ”Baby Driver”.
In fact, I heard ”The Dark Tower” might be rated R too. Hope it’s PG-13.
To be honest, I found out that ”The Dark Tower” is very likely going to get a PG-13 rating, seeing how Sony is marketing the film to young adults. But the problem is, get this… the running time. The film has a confirmed running time of 95 minutes, which is too short for a film like this. If the film doesn’t do well because of this, it’s plan for a franchise could be very well canceled.
”The Dark Tower” got it’s MPAA rating today. It got a PG-13 rating, which was what I expected, but that’s something I have very mixed feelings about. I understand that Sony wants to target the film to a teen audience, but come on! Was that the reason why ”Ghost in The Shell” became a huge flop earlier this year? Most of the films based off Stephen King’s work have gotten an R rating, and I thought that this film was going to get that rating too, but NAH! I still might see it, but if the reviews aren’t good(I’m expecting them to be either in the middle, or fairly positive, like a 65-70 percent on Rotten Tomatoes. Maybe an 80 percent on Rotten Tomatoes if it’s lucky.) , NO WAY!
I’m genuinely curious, but do you have those parents that are super-anal about ratings? You have the internet, nothing’s stopping you from seeing it one way or another.
Yes, I do.
Exactly!
It was good, but not that good.
Why are you so rude? It is your perception that you like Baby Driver and acting like a baby. Yes, I saw Blade Runner 2049 and it is R rated, FYI.
Dunkirk got 95% while Valerian got 72%.
Who do you think is going to dethrone Apes at the BO#1- Valerian or Dunkirk?
The Promise was the wost bomb i’ve seen in a long time.
Yeah… Struggled to make even 10 million dollars… for a film that cost 90-100 million dollars to make! That’s too bad, because the reviews, while very mixed, weren’t terrible. On the other hand, though, I heard the film wasn’t made to make money, it was made for those who wanted to learn about the American Genocide. Just what point does that make?
Sans Rock Dog and (sadly) Power Rangers, I think Lionsgate is having a great year. Not Disney or Universal level, but better than most (Sony and Paramount in particular).
La La Land tagged with Hidden Figures to dominate January, and John Wick 2 did pretty well. I expect good things from The Hitman’s Bodyguard and MLP: The Movie. All Eyes on Me might falter though, thanks to the 70% drop on it’s second weekend.
So I ask, what do you think? Are they getting more momentum as a studio in terms of popularity?
And to tie this to my last question, do you guys think Paramount will cut back or be sold by the end of the year? They haven’t had any real success this year, especially with a string of flops and disappointments (Ghost in the Shell, Monster Trucks, Rings, Baywatch, and possibly The Last Knight). At least Sony has Spider-Man, Smurfs, Baby Driver, and Blade Runner 2049 (with WB) to fall back on.
Transformers 5 has only been out for a week. My gut is telling me Transformers 5 will probably reach around $800 million.
Yeah, it’s only been out for a week, but word of mouth isn’t very good at all, even in China (check out Douban). It’s probably gonna drop fast and hard.
Word of mouth didn’t stop World War Z. I saw Transformers 5, it was long, confusing at times but had a lot of action and the ending gave me goosebumps. I enjoyed it. I’m not over analyze a Transformers movie, it’s support to be fun and entertainment. The movie I think will definitely tank is this Baby Driver. Who in there right mind thought this was a good idea movie to make??!!
Glad you got something out of it.
By the way, what makes you think Baby Driver will turn out bad? Edgar Wright has a pretty good track record.
Trailers are the selling point. That Baby Driver trailer did not hit the mark of “Oh I got to see this.” To me it was like “Rolling my eyes” at trailer. The movie is advertising people’s reactions of did you like it or hate it. That’s not a good sign.
Watch international trailers for it. Much better.
Let me over-analyze it for you!
Lets start with each installment:
The first movie was the best. a Master-piece. 10/10
Transformers:RoTF-
At least the Original was dumb fun in a way, ROTF was crap in all
directions! 3/10
Transformers:DOTM- second half similar to RoTF. A slight improvement. 6/10
Transformers:AoE- was sentimental. People/friends told me NOT to watch
plus the 19โ RT reviews makes it worse! To my surprise, it is the true
sequel to the original! I think they have improved the cast, bringing
in Wahlberg and Joyce in lieu of annoying Shia. Prime’s majestic voice
and his anger were the icing of the script! 8/10.
A week ago, I watched Transformers: The Last Knight and was
dissatisfied with the projector. It seemed dark and the picture images
were not that sharp as I have seen previously in IMAX with Laser.
SPOILERS:
Script: Staff instead of Cube. We have seen this “chosen one” a million
times.
Main Actor: Wahlberg was looking silly when Optimus Prime was fighting
with the Decepticons.
Side Actor: Hot as always. Hopkins was the saving grace, though we will
not see him again.
Verdict: Please stop and end the series. Otherwise, the next T-6 will
flop badly. The producers should opt for Animation Series.
You liked ”Transformers: Age Of Extinction”? Lucky. That was such a BORING FILM. Yeah. Really,
Actually, ”Transformers: The Last Knight” will end it’s worldwide run with at least 550-600 million dollars. That’s definitely very good money, but considering the billion dollars the last 2 films in the series made, and the huge budget(260 million dollars to make, plus an additional 150-170 million dollars for marketing(I think)), this could be a disappointment for Paramount.
Well my prediction was 20 days ago. $500 million to $600 million is a pretty good take for the Transformers. Plus this is Michael Bay is last Transformers and I think a new direction in sequels will help the franchise go forward. Transformers 6 and the Bumblebee prequel are next ones going forward.
And don’t forget about Universal! ”The Fate Of The Furious” broke the record for having the biggest worldwide opening weekend ever, with more than 540 million dollars worldwide, and making more than 1.2 billion dollars worldwide, ”Despicable Me 3” is doing excellent in the box office, making more than 920 million dollars worldwide, which is stunning, considering that the budget was only 80 million dollars, and ”The Mummy” made a very respectable 405 million dollars worldwide! They are having a great year!
I bet. They can along with many other artists, resurrect 2D animation as a feature length medium. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/09c99c11b195dbd62337eec5ea6048c0c56ed540c4c5632ac4267e0fa87fee22.gif
They’re saying, “Easy as pie! Oh, I love pie!”
Yeah, Lionsgate is trying to get their next big animated franchise ready. They tried that with ”Norm of The North” last year, and it really failed miserably, both with critics, who really gave it abysmal reviews, and at the box office. I’m expecting at least better things from this film, but not quite. The reason? Not a huge ”My Little Pony” fan.
this doesn’t look good
The Wall 2017
Oh how I wish Transformers 5 was on that list. It won’t and it will probably be Paramount’s biggest movie this year. I respect if you enjoy that franchise, but if you are one of those people who keep criticizing new blockbuster movies saying that they all look the same and yet keep running to see every single new Transformer movie, you have no right to complain.
A lot of articles say that for Chinese audiences, explosions and destruction require no translation, which is why they claim these movies do well in China. The number of foreign movies that get into China are state approved, and the ones that do get approved are often dumb movies like Transformers 5. Remember, China is not a free country, and a lot of the people don’t have a lot of choices. Meanwhile, America is a free country, and has been for 241 years. America is a democracy, and China is a Communist state. If a lot of the people in China don’t have a lot of choices, then I assume that sometimes, dumb movies like Transformers 5 act as their only entertainment. Warcraft last year flopped in the states but succeeded in China, and this was not the first movie to do this and certainly not the last, as long as China remains a Communist country.
Exactly. But I loved Terminator 5!
Something so dull as The Last Knight actually makes me commend Paramount for making Ghost in the Shell. It wasn’t great, especially compared to its source material, but it certainly was different in style and tone. If the script was a little less predictable and on-the-nose, we could’ve had something special.
My Little Pony: The Movie hasn’t even come out yet. Trailer for the movie drops soon, but Hasbro’s other property, Transformers, has the fifth installment get a 16% on Rotten Tomatoes and it’s still critic proof? I quit the Transformers franchise after the second one, and I’ve never returned. Those movies are big, dumb, and loud.
I’m fairly certain MLP will get better reviews (exactly how high it will rank on the Tomatometer is a bit of a toss up, but I’d expect somewhere in the 60% range), though sadly it probably won’t make near as much as any Transformers movie.
My response to that is this. If you care about 2D animation, love 2D animated features like Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King, and want to see more of those kinds of films on the big screen or even big streaming Netflix releases, go see this movie.
Forget it.
I won’t. We need movies like this with uplifting, positive vibes, heroes that you can really root for, and a plot that is absolutely free of political junk, SJWs, and liberal hate for anyone that is a Christian. No animated movie should be socialist propaganda. Thanks to the peeling back of the dark side of Democrats, I hate Zootopia.
We need heroes and villains, no anti-heroes. We need marriage between a man and a woman. We need America portrayed as an excellent country, not a dump heap. We need to go back to the kind of stories that Rankin Bass and classic Disney during Walt told.
I will not have any more of this world-ending nonsense. God holds the universe in His hand, and He knows when the world will end, not us.
I’m expecting ”My Little Pony: The Movie” to get at least a 50% rotten or maybe a 60% fresh on Rotten Tomatoes if it’s lucky. Still not looking forward to seeing it.
Might get a 75 percent like Rugrats In Paris.
I don’t think it will be that good.
Why not?
Just because, not a fan of ”My Little Pony”. I’ve never watched the show, though I am aware of it’s fan base.
I’m seeing ”Transformers: The Last Knight” today, and is it going to be terrible? OF COURSE IT IS! But even though the film got near-abysmal reviews from critics(I’m really going to rip this film apart in my review), and is doing very mediocre in the USA, making an estimated 45 million dollars on its 3-day opening weekend(I think), the film however, WILL DO EXCELLENT OVERSEAS. THE FILM IS EXPECTED TO MAKE AT LEAST A TOTAL OF 400 MILLION DOLLARS IN CHINA ALONE, AND SHOULD HAVE IT’S WORLDWIDE RUN END WITH AT LEAST 930 MILLION-1 BILLION DOLLARS WORLDWIDE. So at least Paramount is going to make a TON OF MONEY ON THAT ONE.
The studio gets about 25% of the Chinese box office. That will cover production, maybe, but not P&A.
Baywatch lol
Except baywatch is making enough to cover it’s budget. Has made 120,000,000 +
They still have to split the gross with the theaters, and add the marketing costs.
” Has made 120,000,000 +”
120,000,000 pesos, MAYBE……
Not sure exactly what ‘trade pubs’ you’ve been reading, “Scotty” (Dax, is that YOU ???) but you better dump ALL of them!
Here’s the ACTUAL current grosses:
As Of 6/30/2017:
CHiPs (2017) Total Lifetime Grosses:
Domestic: $18,600,152 72.9%
+ Foreign: $6,900,000 27.1%
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= Worldwide: $25,500,152 TOTAL <==================
Nice try, though…….
He said Baywatch, not CHips.
You should add “Unforgettable” and “The Circle” to this list as well.
13 flops so far, what other movies flopped based on a worldwide gross vs production and marketing budget combined?
Can you do Snatched?
added.
Please put ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid” and ”Baywatch” on this list please…. They both bombed pretty bad…
Both have major markets left to open in.
Actually, not really for ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul”. I heard the film will be released direct to DVD overseas, and for the rest of the overseas territory, it is doing even worse than the USA, making a paltry 9 million dollars. As for ”Baywatch” though, it could still be saved, and eventually do well.
They should have just released Wimpy Kid direct to DVD altogether. That will probably be the case for future installments(if any)
Agreed. I’m very sure Fox decided to split this film’s 25 million dollar budget in 3 ways: 10 million dollars to film the movie(including 5 million dollars for CGI), an additional 10 million dollars for marketing, and 5 million dollars just for them to sit on. Not to mention that this film needed to make 75 million dollars to break even, but it’s impossible now. With the film leaving theaters faster and faster, and not to mention that the film is going to end with at least 35 million dollars worldwide, Fox has had a huge flop in their hands. This film easily should have been a direct to DVD release, and if the film doesn’t do well on DVD and Blu-Ray, which probably will happen, the ”Diary of a Wimpy Kid” films are no more.
Among these flops, which one has an entirely different script? For example, I loved the The Great Wall!
Yeah, I kind of agree, though to a lesser extent. I thought that the script was kind of poor, but the production and costume design, visual effects, and action scenes were all fantastic. Sure, I do know that it got mixed reviews from critics and audiences, and while it made a respectable 330 million dollars worldwide, the film has the record of being the most expensive Chinese film ever, with a budget of 150 million US dollars, it didn’t break even, which was a shame.
What do foreign audiences like about The Mummy that we don’t?
Tom Cruise, probably.
I am an Indian and Tom Cruise was the only reason to watch The mummy. But very disappointing movie…
I like enjoyed it
Ya, it’s Tom Cruise basically. He’s still a big overseas draw.
TOM CRUISE, THAT’S WHY! It made more than 400 million dollars worldwide on a 125 million dollar budget, and that’s still very good! Why is it going to lose 95-100 million dollars for Universal?
The Mummy flops here but wins overseas? It’s like some things like Tom Cruise are like critic proof in different territories that don’t speak English.
It’s performance is not particulariy good, though not flop level. I would expect Universal is rethinking their Dark Universe strategy regardless.
“The Mummy” should unravel soon. Expect that to crawl away and rot.
It could possibly do well internationally. That’s the only thing I could picture saving it.
Not only that, but watch Universal scrap that entire planned Dark Universe after this. Javier Bardem and Johnny Depp would be wise to jump ship if they can, the ship’s about to get torpedoed.
That’s not entirely true. Universal still has hope….
Not really. Universal is expecting lose 95 to 100 million dollars on this one…
That’s odd. The film made 375 million dollars worldwide, enough for the film to break even and make a profit, and it’s going to lose money? Why?
It’s doing well internationally. It’s already made $139 million internationally so the budget has already been covered.
The real question is, will the film’s legs be good in international markets?
What other movies have flopped so far? What about last month? Will there be any this month? It’s as if Netflix and Amazon are providing better entertainment than the cinema. Two movies coming out on Netflix are Ojka and Bright. One movie coming out from Amazon is Wonderstruck.
The $45 Million Tupac Shakur biography “All Eyez On Me” is getting mostly negative reviews. It’s projected to have a $17 to $20 Million opening weekend but I wouldn’t be surprised if negative word of mouth means it fails to break $17 Million. We’ll see soon enough. By contrast, the 2015 $28 Million “Straight Outta Compton” had mostly positive reviews and very good word of mouth. It finished $201 Million worldwide in its run.
Actually, ”All Eyez On Me” is expected to make 35 million dollars on it’s opening weekend.
It was frontloaded, but still managed to make $27 million. Above estimates and probably going to make it to profitability.
Yeah. Still decent.
It over-performed with $27 million through its opening weekend according to Box Office Mojo. But it disappointed in its second weekend. It’s currently at $38 million since June 16 which is below its reported budget. http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4301&p=.htm
So that means its not good now.
Do I live in a happy shiny world where MLP: The Movie makes big bucks at the box office and Disney, in response, makes 2D animated films again? No, it doesn’t work that way. People like Netflix and Amazon appear to be crafting the future of Hollywood. MLP: The Movie will make money, yet Netflix and Amazon will pick up the animated films too risky for cinemas so that they can succeed. GKids picks up Asian and European 2D features for US distribution, so of course they’re helping to shift the paradigm of how animation gets distributed.
GKids films are distributed in American cinemas, then put out on streaming services afterwards.
If you love MLP, them watch 2016 PPG. (Lauren Faust created MLP, while her husband Craig McCracken created PPG.)
I’m sure ”My Little Pony: The Movie” won’t do very well… just saying
Well, I’m more worried that I go Thursday night on October 5 and there’s no one in the theater except me and my friends. I’ll take a wait and see approach. I guess I’m worried that it won’t be good, like a Rotten Tomatoes Rotten rating. Disney and Pixar can make 3D animated films all they want, but I believe it is up to smaller independent production companies to make 2D animated films with today’s modern computer tools. Keep in mind though that even 3D animated films can flop too. Two examples are Delgo, which is regarded as a huge bomb, and both Strange Magic and Pixar’s own The Good Dinosaur, which are listed on this website. The Good Dinosaur wasn’t a spectacular flop, but it didn’t do as well as Pixar hoped.
Is it bad for me to want My Little Pony to flop?
This is the first 2D animated feature on this scale since The Princess and the Frog, and that was 8 years ago. If you love films like Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King, and you want more films like those, go see this movie and fill in those seats. Come on, 2D animation looks gorgeous. I believe the characters look cuter when they are 2D animated. 2D animation can now be done with computers, and computer animation does not always have to look like a 3D video game, it can do anything and look like anything. Don’t associate 2D with antiquated or outdated. I grew up with 2D animation, as a millennial. It’s time we give a new generation a chance to grow up with 2D animation themselves.
Agreed. I don’t mind CGI, but 2D Animation will always be a favorite of mine.
Also, I don’t understand why some believe that MLP will fail. Friendship is Magic (the movie’s basis for tye franchise) has a huge fan base, I bet it’ll do very well. Probably even more so if WOM is good.
Reviews are coming out for The Mummy, and they’re not very good. Witness another box office failure for Universal to kick off the Dark Universe.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_mummy_2017
http://www.metacritic.com/movie/the-mummy-2017
And yes, I am aware of Tom Cruise’s International box office draw. But I’m not even sure if that alone can save it.
Yeah. Those reviews were really lousy. Didn’t see it because of them.
Baywatch 2017 …? Anybody…?
Might break even depending on how it does internationally (Germany, China, and others haven’t been released yet). The draw (financially) for a comedy is usually it’s budget is small by comparison to bigger summer movies. Baywatch with $70mil + marketing (maybe 30 – 50 mil?) means it doesn’t have a high bar to reach, though even then it’s questionable if it’ll reach it at all – Currently at $71 mil global with maybe two weeks left in American theaters, might crawl to $100 mil global at end of it’s run?
The answer is yes, Baywatch crossed the $100 Million mark recently. It appears it will be a break even or thin profit margin movie.
It will not break even. That film cost 70 million dollars to make. Needs to make 210 million dollars to break even, which it will be impossible.
120million so far
YES! PUT THAT FILM ON THIS LIST!
Speaking of Not-flops, is Pirates 5 finally going to be lackluster enough to kill the franchise? It’s heading to breakeven on weekend 2, but the competition looks to be pretty stiff so it might only have legs to equal Black Pearl financially.
No. It’s making 630 million dollars worldwide so far, so Disney is still having a big success in their hands.
Since it’s the end of May, what other movies flopped in May? Like which ones qualify so far, determining worldwide gross vs. production and marketing budget combined?
Unforgettable and The Circle should both be added to this list.
The circle had an $18 mil budget and is at $20 mil gross domestic. With marketing (3-5 mil?) maybe? and incomplete foreign release (currently at roughly $5 mil foreign)… seems like that one might be profitable when you count digital / dvd releases and such (even if only slightly).
Hollywood just can’t figure it out that they need to STOP PISSING OFF those who pay their salaries! We don’t pay to hear their politics.. We pay for entertainment! And they’re not very entertaining now….
I agree with this. Businesses’ unless it’s a political business needs to stop advertising their politics.
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Please, Hollywood isn’t going anywhere as long as they keep making super hero movies.
Didn’t Baywatch flop? How many movies underperformed? Only 4 months until My Little Pony: The Movie hits theaters.
This Summer isn’t opening up too good. King Arthur floundered on impact, Alien: Covenant suffered a steep 70.9% drop this weekend, and both Pirates 5 and Baywatch underperformed. Only GOTG Vol. 2 is doing well so far, depsite not meeting expectations on opening weekend.
Here’s to hoping that Wonder Woman and Captain Underpants open June with a bang as opposed to a whimper, cause the investors are gonna need it.
Well add Baywatch to the list. It was a total failure. Not a surprise. Going up against Pirates 5 wasn’t a good idea. The trailer wasn’t very good. All it was based on was looks and no good storytelling. Plus I think the Rock got WAY TOO MUCH publicity and overexposure, that people probably got tired of him. That whole thinking about running for President probably also hurt the Rock, don’t throw politics into show business, usually doesn’t go well.
Despite the lack of hype for it, something in me originally thought Baywatch would at least do okay. Then the reviews came out, and that marked the film’s grave.
I didn’t even know about the Rock’s comments on Trump until recently. I don’t have much of an opinion on Trump, to be honest, but Hollywood’s forced talk on politics is getting annoying, and I believe the general public is getting sick of it, too. Like you said, He shouldn’t have made a political statement shortly before a big film releases. That’s bad news.
So yeah, Paramount’s probably going to have another terrible year, adding the financial bombs of Monster Trucks, XxX 3, and Ghost in the Shell.
xXx 3 wasn’t a financial bomb thanks to international numbers. Transformers 5 will probably make a billion dollars worldwide so that’s all that Paramount cares about for now. Other than Transformers 5, the rest of Paramount’s slate this year is on the smaller scale so I think the worst of the damage has already come.
Yeah.. Van Diesel stayed out of politics too! And Trump supporters are in full Boycott mode….
Don’t blame politics when the movie bombs. Regardless of one’s political views, a bad movie will not be saved by any A-list actors or good director.
Exactly. Just look at King Arthur.
Baywatch could have a good hold since another comedy doesn’t come out until Rough Night. Also, keep in mind that it hasn’t been released in most countries yet.
Everything Everything has done all right considering its budget although its no Fault In Our Stars or Me Before You. Baywatch may do well overseas as the show is massive internationally
Hollywood has forgotten that only 60% of America is actually working..and voted for Trump and boycotting Hollywood! Theaters don’t take EBT and all those snowflakes are to busy SJWarrioring, Facebooking, Tweeting or rioting to even bother to take time to see a movie….
If the numbers for Snatched don’t improve, it’ll end up on this list. It has a $42 million budget and has only made $43.3 million worldwide so far.
You can pencil in “The Circle” as a flop for 2017. It stars Emma Watson, Tom Hanks, John Boyega of Star Wars fame and is Bill Paxton’s final movie. Though it was probably pitched as the next “The Social Network”, it suffered from middling reviews and received almost no word of mouth.
Although it’s budget was only $18 Million after three weeks of wide release it has only grossed $20 Million. It opened in over 3,000 theaters but is currently listed 38th in Boxofficemojo’s list of worst openings among 3,000+ theatres at $2856 per theatre. By comparison, Monster Trucks is 66th at $3511 per theatre and Life is 106th at $3974 per theatre. It is on track to finish it’s theatrical gross below $25 Million. It’ll be out of theatres and on Netflix soon.
The only factor that prevents “The Cricle” from being a certain flop is that its studio and distributor spent little on producing or marketing it.
It grossed 20 million domestically. Overseas, it earned 6.5 million with a total of 26.5 million. Though the movie still have to be released in 4 countries Belgium, Australia, France and Germany, not sure if that will make a difference maybe add a couple of thousand or million to make it even. I saw the movie and it was not competitive for market viewing. The story left me confused.
Life made about $13M in China last weekend, marking the worldwide total at $93M. It also still has the UK and Japanese markets left in June and July.
With it’s $58M budget, do you guys think it might escape being a flop? Or am I just overestimating this?
If it manages to hold well in China, it very well could. And someone strangely added the uk date on imdb, but Life already opened there on the same day as the US release and tanked with only $2.5m
Oh yeah, I forgot about it already releasing in the UK.
Guess it’s up to Japan and China, then. I heard Life was alright, Sony may need it to at least break even if their other films (sans Spider-Man) tank.
Alien:Covenant may be failing at a theater near you.
I doubt it. It’s doing well internationally and that’s where Prometheus made it’s money. At worst it’s going to be a mild disappointment and force bit more franchise retooling.
right, it’s already at 121 after one week…it will do 220…not that big but not a flop at all
Well, it did take a 80% on it’s second Friday compared to first. So it probably won’t have good legs to do well domestically. But China is yet to open.
it did take a -71…this week-end. it will end around 75m not a big deal but i wouldn’t call it a flop
‘Diary of a Wimpy Kid: The Long Haul’ bombs
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/weekend-box-office-alien-convenant-narrowly-beats-guardians-2-36m-1005955
It might hold well. Kid’s movies tend to have strong legs unless there’s a lot of competition. The biggest competition Wimpy Kid will face is Captain Underpants next week.
I kinda get the feeling that most of Wimpy Kid’s audience will leave for CU. I might be wrong, but this seems like a movie that’ll leave theaters fast.
Actually, ”Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie” didn’t do all that well on it’s opening weekend, making only 23 million dollars, DESPITE GETTING GOOD REVIEWS FROM CRITICS. Sure, I haven’t seen it, but the fact that the film got positive reviews from critics really surprised me, seeing that the trailer was fairly cringe worthy, and that I was very sure that it was going to be one of Dreamworks’ weakest films. But, the less I say about ”Wimpy Kid”, the better.
I saw ”Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie” today, and it was actually good! Agreed with critics on that film. 8/10. Don’t understand why it’s not doing that well in the box office… deserved to do better…
Actually.. I lied. ”Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie” wasn’t that good. I was expecting it to be one of Dreamworks Animation’s weakest films, and that was exactly what happened. 76 million dollars isn’t bad, but considering that the budget of the film was 40 million dollars, making it the most cheapest film Dreamworks Animation has ever made(that could explain why they had to outsource the animation to another studio, in this case, Canada and France’s Mikros Image Studios, which made the animation less standard, and why this film doesn’t have as many big names Dreamworks Animation usually puts in their movies)(The last film they made with a budget less than 100 million dollars was ”Over The Hedge”, but that film cost a fairly high budget of 80 million dollars, twice the budget of this film), it needed to make 120 million dollars to break even, which is very unlikely. Sure, it got good reviews from critics, but like last years ”The BFG” proved that good reviews doesn’t mean good box office. I think this film should be on the list, if it doesn’t do well in other territories.
Hold on a minute. I looked back on ”Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie” recently, and to be honest, I was a little too harsh on it when I reviewed it on IMDB(I gave it a lackluster 5/10). It was more of a 7/10 film. Sure, I had some problems with the story, but it wasn’t very ”poorly executed”, and the real problem with it was it was just too simple for an 89 minute movie. I thought the writing was good, the animation was very nice, and the characters were very likable. I also thought the humor wasn’t all that bad as well. And thankfully, I can now see why the film got strong reviews from critics, and also, the film made almost 125 million dollars on a 40 million dollar budget, meaning the film has now broke even and is a success. So I am pleased.
I am sure that the mummy and wonder woman will not flop
Actually, good prediction. ”Wonder Woman” is doing fantastic at the box office, and made a WHOPPING 103 million dollars on it’s opening weekend, and that was largely due to the great reviews the film got from critics and audiences. Sure, ”The Mummy” got ripped apart by critics, and is doing so-so in the USA so far, making only 12 million dollars on it’s opening day, but it’s doing very well overseas, making 136 million dollars, already making it’s 125 million dollar budget back.
I am hoping wimpy kid doesn’t flop
YOU BET YOU! IT DID TERRIBLE! IT MADE EXACTLY 35 MILLION DOLLARS ON A VERY SMALL BUDGET OF 25 MILLION DOLLARS. WE ARE NEVER GOING TO SEE ANOTHER FILM IN THE SERIES, UNLESS IT’S DIRECT TO DVD! IN FACT, THIS FILM SHOULD HAVE BEEN DIRECT TO DVD!
it is not a flop it gained 10 million(according to your source) flops make less money than the budget. Diary of a wimpy kid:long haul was predictable and unfunny so your opinion is understandable. if they make another movie they should have a bigger budget and grow upfrom potty humor-make the jokes actually funnt. BTW fuck #notmyrodrick. The internet should grow up.
12 flops so far this year. A lot of movies these days don’t do so well because of in home options like Netflix. The same pitfalls happened when television arrived in the 1950s, movie theater attendance went down. I wouldn’t be too surprised if Pirates 5 flops, given the trouble Johnny Depp has gone through along with the fact that it’s an aging 14 year old franchise. Also, Disney has had repeated flops over Memorial Day weekend. People in Hollywood are wanting to succeed. I wouldn’t be too surprised if it doesn’t, but I can’t hold out my breath for such an event to happen. Disney, like all studios, does not want their films to flop. Often times I would like for them to flop in order for them to clean house and create a new strategy that does not involve remaking all their old animated movies.
Also the increase in ticket prices. Why drop 10-15 dollars for a 3D movie if its gonna be ass? Why not wait for home video or borrow it from the public library? I’m glad audiences are not tolerating shitty movies anymore, maybe we’ll get some more quality entertainment, especially horror films.
Actually, we’ve been getting decent horror movies lately over the past couple years. Movies like The Conjuring 2, It Follows, and The Witch are great and It Comes at Night (releases on June 9) looks like creepy as hell.
Agreed. It Comes at Night looks haunting.
I felt the Conjuring 2 was pretty tame compared to the first one. Same can be said for the other two, they have good elements but are not perfect or rewatchable in my opinion. I’ll be excited for It Comes at Night, but my opinion still stands on more bad than good horror films being made.
Johnny Depp has had a string of disappointing movies recently with The Tourist, The Rum Diary, The Lone Ranger, Mortdecai and Alice Through the Looking Glass. It looks like Disney is banking on audiences eager to see Johnny Depp return as Jack Sparrow after a six year absence.
Can anyone compare to me which King Arthur movies bombs the worst?
King Arthur movies that bombed:
– A Kid in King Arthur’s Court (Budget: $15 million; Box office: $13.7 million) – loss of $16.3 million
– Quest for Camelot (Budget: $40M; BO: $38.2M) – loss of $41.8 million
– King Arthur (Budget: $120M; BO: $203.6M) – loss of $36.4 million
– King Arthur: Legend of the Sword (Budget: $175M; BO: $45M) – loss of $265 million (so far)*
*It was revealed that $135 million was spent on marketing.
I think the movie “Valerian and the City of Thousand Planets” (yeah that’s really the title) is gonna flop big time.
Which is a shame because to me it looks better than any upcoming movie, maybe except new Planet of the Apes entry and Thor: Ragnarok.
It probably will flop but I think it will do well in Europe. Whether it’ll be enough to warrant the $180 million budget, we’ll have to see. However, you bet I’ll be there to see Valerian on opening weekend. The worlds look so cool that I’m even going to shell out a couple more dollars to see it in 3D.
Just like Jupiter Ascending. Cool 3D but eventually it flopped.
I think it will definitely!
Any studio who plans to make another King Arthur movie’s in the future, they need to study this figure cause it tells a lot.
I’m not so sure if the new Power Rangers reboot might be getting a sequel, but my aching self tells me it ain’t gonna happen. The film actually did beat the OG Mighty Morphin Power Rangers movie’s opening, but sadly, it wasn’t the kind of a huge hit Lions gate had hoped for. I had much interest in the movie, but it underperformed. Looks like it’s gonna flop in Japan (FYI, Disney’s global dominance) because this will be the last theater run there. Trust me, they should move forward from the 6-story arc they already said and just go back to TV where they belong. Sadly, it’s not gonna bring enough money to get its budget back. #FranchiseKiller.
It already has made more than it’s budget thus it is not a flop
That’s not how it works. Most movies must make twice the production budget at the box office. For example, Power Rangers probably had to make $200 million worldwide in order to pay off the budget and marketing costs. It’s only made $135.6 million up to this point.
Did you include licencing, merchendice and home media sales in your calculations, because of these variables it is hard to know what profit most of these movies make so production budget vs box office is what most people go with
No, they don’t.
In order for a movie to break even, it has to gross twice it’s budget. Because only half of the money goes back to the studio while the other half enters the pockets of the theaters. This is not even counting how much money was spent in marketing.
There are times where a movie get’s an afterlife after bombing on the box office, however that is not common. For a movie to do that the movie would need to attract extra attention in it’s target audience to do that, I don’t doubt movies like Dreed or Scott Pilgrim recovered it’s money after the poor box office, but like I said that is not common, a movie that had “meh” reviews like Ghost in the Shell it’s almost guaranteed that it will not recover it’s money at all. Could Power Rangers do that? It could,but I doubt it. The movie didn’t had that much of a talk between the audience to pull that off.
In fact,merchandising could be a double edge sword,it could save a movie but also could doomed it even more, like with Rise of the Guardians. Rise of the Guardians did double it’s budget,but it was such such an marketing and merchandising failure that STILL made Dreamworks lost millions,to the point to drive the studio in a really bad situation. And that was with a movie that doubled it’s budget.
Both ghost in the shell and life made profits regardless of quality they did not flop. The films may have been disappointments but they do not belong on this list, And please don’t give me the Bs about it needing to double and triple it’s budget, a flop is a film that douse not break even
they earned more than production budget without the marketing cost. What i know, its 50% cut, that goes to the film studio. And it depends on what country. In China, the movie company only earns 25% . Such as in Fast and Furious movie which made almost 400 millions, Universal may take home a total of 100 million, not 400 million.
Did you include licencing, merchendice and home media sales in your calculations, it is hard to know what profit most of these movies make so production budget vs box office is what most people go with
Box office bombs do not get great merchandising and home media sales, do they?
Sometimes they do like Showgirls. From wikipedia:
“Despite a negative theatrical and critical consensus, Showgirls enjoyed success on the home video market, generating more than $100 million from video rentals, allowing the film to turn a profit and become one of MGM’s top 20 all-time bestsellers.”
Also, if I remember correctly, Dredd’s sales numbers were pretty good.
You believe everything you read on Wikipedia?
It’s just a quote. Do your own research about Showgirls sales on VHS if you don’t believe.
What other movies flopped over the past 5 months?
– Power Rangers (Budget: $100 million; Box office: $135.6 million)
– The Zookeeper’s Wife (Budget: $20M; BO: $17.6M)
– The Lost City of Z (Budget: $30M; BO: $12.7M)
Man,Lionsgate is just on a roll with their flops,huh? Last year if it wasn’t for LaLaLand,Hacksaw Ridge and Now You See Me 2 it would be a completely disaster for them (I kinda think it was,I don’t think it made up for the massive flops they had in 2016). I would never expected that Power Rangers would flop too but it looks like the movie is done now. Sad,but they should learn to stop being so hungry for franchises like that.
But at least there is always…that…My Little Pony adaptation they have for this year…oh boy…
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Out of the 24 movies Lionsgate released in 2016, only 14 of them made a profit.
Are you excited for My Little Pony coming out this year? I am.
Bleh. I found the show overrated.
There’s a large fanbase for this show, and I can see why you think it’s overrated. Traditionally guys in their 20s don’t watch shows like this. I do see some repetition in the plots, yet I’m watching these characters grow and mature unlike other kids shows. Luckily, I have Amazon Prime, so I can check out both Avatar: The Last Airbender, and The Legend of Korra, the former which had a terrible live action adaptation in 2010.
I haven’t watched the show that it’s based on so I’m neutral. I think it’s cool that a 2D animated movie is getting a wide release. The last 2D animated movie to get a wide release was Dragon Ball Z: Resurrection ‘F’, and that only played for 2 weeks.
Wrong release date. They should have put it somewhere in August with less competition. And casts at least 2 known or famous young actors to be part of the powers rangers with greatest social media followers. It will help with marketing. Spending 4-8 million for young famous actors for cast would really help as long as the movie is good. The brand is known in US market, but may not be famous in other countries. The actors they put were really unknown.
In the movie, some scenes were boring and low pace. I loved the TV version in 90s, it is my childhood. And i love the movie version of this years ago too. This is a reboot.
Before thinking of a possible franchise, they should start in making 1 good movie first- I’m just disappointment.
Psstt.. This is what they did with Guardian of Galaxy. It is unknown Marvel. But they casts well known actors : Chriss Pratt and Zoey and etc and put a good director and great story. Then 1 movie hit, they are now making it a franchise.
Power Rangers I think it’s safe to say to call it. The film is bombing in China and with that goes any chance of this film breaking even. King Arthur definitely is going to deserve a page.. the only question is how bad is it going to bomb. Last one I would put on here is The Circle which has been a critical bomb for Tom Hanks and to date has only grossed about a 20.1 m against an 18 m budget.
So will Power Rangers be added to this? Apparently it’s underperforming in China…
Most likely.. The film only earned a paltry 1.2 m on it’s first day and is getting crushed by Guardians of the Galaxy 2 and Dangal. China was pretty much Power Rangers last chance to break even and that is not happening. At this rate, Saban’s plans of a six film franchise is becoming less and less like a possibility. https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/05/12/box-office-were-probably-not-getting-a-power-rangers-sequel/#1f04b57952e4
It’s been added now.
Get information ready for a King Arthur: Legend of the Sword page. I predict a huge flop coming. It has a whopping $175 million budget for crying out loud!
On top of that, pratically no one is talking about it.
Unless it radically overperforms overseas, King Arthur is going to be DOA.
it is getting bad reviews. We will see how the moviegoers respond. Overseas is a different ball games but GTOG, Fast and Furious, and even BTAB still strong overseas. King Arthurs really needs to gain a lot of profit overseas to get a sequel. I heard it is book to do 6 movies if King Arthur will become a block buster.
A lot of blockbusters are scheduled right near each other and many of them will cannibalize each other. Just look at what happened in March. There was a big movie coming out each week. Logan, Kong: Skull Island, and Beauty and the Beast survived but brought down Power Rangers and Ghost in the Shell in the process. I’m not shocked that King Arthur is supposed to be a franchise starter. The original title was going to be Knights of the Roundtable: King Arthur. That just sounds like the most “franchise starter” title I’ve heard since X-Men Origins: Wolverine. We’ll see what happens with King Arthur but with a $175 million budget, I think Warner Bros. is going to take a huge loss on this one. Clearly, someone didn’t keep their budget in check. It’s kinda sad because I usually like Guy Ritchie’s movies even though they can sometimes fall into that “style over substance” category.
Update: King Arthur’s preview as of Thursday earned 1.1 million.That is awful. This summer movie looks awful too. They are losing billions due to great decline of moviegoers. And worst, most movies are going to sandwiched each other. It seems that pre-summer has the best of blockbusters – March was the most exciting month and went off to be 1st blockbuster. Summer: Fatigue or overpopulated movie market?
As for Power Rangers, it bomb in China. The sequel has been scraped off. If they have kept the original date in January, it could have done better or move to August or September.
More movies are going to suffer this year and most of them are over 100 million.
If Power Rangers came out in January, it would’ve gone against juggernauts like Hidden Figures, La La Land, and Split. It just might have been salvaged if it had been released on January 27 or February 3 in between Split and the trio of February hits (Fifty Shades Darker, John Wick: Chapter 2, and The Lego Batman Movie).
Yeah, they were strong movies in January or February but March have strongest movies combined, so going up against is fatal.There are other months like August or September..
Actually, August probably would’ve been a better month to release Power Rangers since kids would still be out of school whereas school was still in session in March.
What happened in March is about to happen or is already happening from May to July. Guardians 2, Alien Covenant, Pirates 5, Baywatch, Wonder Woman, Mummy, Cars 3, Transformers 5, Despicable Me 3, Spiderman Homecoming, War for Planet of Apes, Dunkirk, Valerian, Dark Tower; so many blockbusters that are ready to cannibalize each other.
King Arthur is already the first casualty, next one I am guessing could be The Mummy. Valerian is also looking to be a box office bomb.
I also like Guy Ritchie movies and have interest in Arthurian stories so I was disappointed to see it become a massive flop.
Sure they are. They’re calling it a flop.
Open Road is far from a terrible studio to work with.
I’m not so sure about that. Their hit to flop ratio is kinda shaky. Plus, they’ve only had one movie cross the $100 million mark worldwide in the 6 years they’ve been a distributor: The Nut Job.
Better get ready for “The Circle”, Tom Hanks’ worst-performing film ever. Friday night โThe Circleโ took in just $3.2 million in 3,163 theaters. That means the per screen average was just over $1,000. Even with an $18 million budget that’s horrible. It’s at 17 on Rotten Tomatoes. People are ripping this Apple & Steve Jobs roman a clef to shreds.
It also has a CinemaScore of D+. That’s pretty unheard of as far as recent releases, especially since the last film to get that kind of grade was “The Disappointments Room”, and the most recent film to get a low CinemaScore rating was “Life” (C+).
I never expected The Circle to get the critical scathing it’s received; the trailers looked interesting, but I guess that’s where the “trailers lie” trope comes to play.
Did you even watch the movie?
No…
Did you like it?
I have not watched it. I think it is the last movie of Bill Paxton. I love the respect that The Circle is giving to Bill Paxton. His death has not been used to promote this movie. As a respect, the entire cast was focused on promoting the movie story. I only found out when i saw the cast involved and Bill is one of them. I guess im going to see this for him, I was a fan.
I heard about that. I haven’t seen much of Bill Paxton’s films, but I’ve heard he was great and well-respected. May his soul rest in peace.
By the way, I hope you enjoy the film, maybe you’ll get something out of it:)
He is indeed a respected actor.
I dunno if i will enjoy it… but with a review like that.. i doubt it.
Tom Hanks too.. well known. Seeing him as a villain is a new thing for me cause i used to seeing him as a good guy in a movie. He has always been one of great actors.. fave was Forest Gump.. and etc.
They also have casts popular stars iJohn Boyega and Emma.. How did they get all these stars to cast in the movie like this?
if the movie is bad- regardless how many A-list stars in there – it many not be enough to draw people..considering there are many options – other movies to watch..
It’s mostly the animation geek in me speaking, but I’ll always remember Tom Hanks for Woody from the Toy Story films.
I did see him in Sully and Forrest Gump; he provided some really good stuff in those. Odd to see him playing a bad guy in The Circle, though.
And yeah, I expect The Circle to get a huge drop on its second weekend. The market is too crowded right now.
Yeah, i think it will drop.. If it has a better story- like Get out or Split, regardless of bigger films may come– it will be able to stick around.
GOTG 2 is going to be huge.. I’m afraid of King Arthur..
Pirattes of Caribbean still has it
I’m unsure how Baywatch and Alien Covenant..
Alien Covenant would probably succeed, given the fact that it’s directed by Ridley Scott.
Baywatch will most likely flop, unless it’s good (it’s going up against Pirates of the Caribbean).
What Marvel movie do you think would gross the most; possibly up to a billion?
I think it is going to be a tight competition with Pirattes at the end of May..
Captain Underpants seems to be a dark horse.. WW is anticipated but.. i wonder how good the story..reminds of 1st movie of Captain America..
Transformer and Despicable are going to be juggernaut for June.. That’s for sure..
Dark horse? You mean like the underdog? Because plenty of people (myself included) are kind of skeptical towards Wonder Woman, and if it fails, then I guess Captain Underpants could supasss it on the 2nd weekend.
Yeah..Still it depends on the story– seems to be comedic.. watch out
Wonder Woman is in a critical position.. It is put before Pirattes of Caribbean.. and WW has 2 weeks to earn before Transformers and Despicable… The Mummy does not look good to me, but it may still divide the moviegoers.. and it will earn.. maybe not much
Yeah, The Mummy looks bad. It might do okay on it’s OW, but may drop off when Transformers and Despicable Me 3 hit the scene.
I gotta go to bed, sorry for cutting off short. I have AP testing tomorrow ๐
Hope we can talk again!
Okau bro.. its almost 12 here.. gotta sleep too.
I could easily see The Mummy flopping (especially with its $125 million budget) but then again, don’t discredit the power of Tom Cruise. His action movies tend to make a lot of money but I could see this getting lost in the shuffle with other June releases. Also, good luck on your AP tests. I hated doing those because of the small amount of time they give you to complete everything.
It’s kind of a risk for Universal, especially since The Mummy is supposed to jump start a Monster Cinematic Universe. We’ll have to find out next month, then.
BTW, I just came out from taking my test, it wasn’t as bad as I thought it was going to be. I’ll be getting my scores in July. ๐
Good. Also, I remember when Dracula Untold was supposed to jump start the Universal Monsters Cinematic Universe. They even changed the ending so that that version of Dracula could make way to being part of said universe. I don’t know why Universal changed their minds. Sure, it didn’t make $100 million+ in the U.S. or anything but it more than broke even in the long run. I didn’t like that movie but I feel so bad for the cast since they thought they were going to be a part of a larger monster universe and it just didn’t happen.
The idea of a Monster Universe kinda sounds cool. I haven’t watched Dracula Untold, but I heard it wasn’t that great. Kind of a shame regarding the cast’s broken dream; I hope they still get some good work to make up for it.
Well, Luke Evans was Gaston in Beauty and the Beast so I’d say he’s doing just fine right now. ๐ Also, you could watch Dracula Untold for its hilariously bizarre choices but it won’t really mean much since it’s not considered canon with the UMCU now.
I might give it a shot, thanks. ๐
It is short so if you don’t like it, it’s only about an hour and a half long.
Thanks for the tip ๐
Wonder Woman flopping at the box office? Ha, good one! xD Even with the skepticism, it’s going to be huge. Most of the people who saw BvS, including those who didn’t enjoy it like myself, did at least give Gal Gadot credit for pulling off Wonder Woman in the few moments she was in BvS.
I know Wonder Woman definitely won’t flop, and it’ll make a ton of money. I actually meant that Wonder Woman could falter on its 2nd weekend like BVS if it’s not good.
Now that I think about it, what was I thinking with Captain Underpants?! ๐ณ
I don’t know. You were probably tired. Wonder Woman will probably have a big 2nd weekend drop regardless of it’s any good or not. Movies that have huge opening weekends, especially superhero films, tend to have big second weekend drops because they are usually very front-loaded and most people who want to see them go on the first weekend to avoid spoilers.
Oh. I always thought, especially in Power Rangers, Warcraft, and the DCEU’s case, that poor word of mouth caused such large drops. But the spoilers thing makes sense.
Funny that you mention Power Rangers and Warcraft. I saw both of those in theaters and I actually enjoyed both of them, despite not even being a fan of their source materials.
I watched some of Warcraft, I liked the scenes and conflicts between the Orcs, but I could care less about the human cast. Still, I appreciate the effort Duncan Jones placed into it, he clearly cared about being faithful to the source. Definitely one of the better video game movies out there.
And as I stated before, I adore Power Rangers. It’s not perfect, but it was still engaging and fun. I was shocked and saddened at the film’s 2nd weekend drop, that spelled out possible losses for Lionsgate.
The Orcs were easily the standouts in Warcraft. I didn’t even think that the humans were completely boring either but the Orcs had a lot more depth to them.
The only real human standout in Warcraft was Khadgar. Everyone else was interchangeable. Orcs were the real stars.
Yeah, no way will “Wonder Woman” flop. Apparently, there was a press and critics screening held for it, and the large majority of reactions were positive. Even if it gets negative or divisive reception, I think it underperforms, but will still make a nice profit just because of the character’s legacy.
Baywatch will do just fine. Sure, Pirates and Baywatch will diminish each other’s audiences to an extent but Dwayne Johnson has been on a roll lately at the box office and I don’t think it’s stopping just yet. (Maybe when Rampage comes out next year, his box office performance will slip.) It seems like Baywatch is taking notes from 21 Jump Street with its style of humor and it honestly looks hilarious. It will have stiff competition from Pirates and Wonder Woman but keep in mind that another comedy isn’t set to come out after Baywatch until Rough Night three weeks later. Alien: Covenant will do just fine, especially since King Arthur is most likely going to be a dud.
Bro, i think a lot of movies are going to suffer in Box office this year, big or small due to overly populated market.. there is no more room to breath.. The only one survive will be the most popular, franchise, superheroes and the rest will crash and burn even movies with A stars in it..
Sadly, that’s true. We already have Ghost in the Shell to prove that, not even Scar Jo could save it (though I believe it bombed for several other reasons).
I agree…They should have been put GIST and Power Rangers in January or February were there is less competition..
This month, June and July… there will be more movies that will suffer in box office. Im pretty sure of that..
I wondered if Power Rangers would succeed in January or February, and as weird as it sounds, I think it might’ve only had a chance in August. There’s no big movie that month, unless you count The Dark Tower, so it could’ve had little to no competition. January and February would’ve still been a risk thanks to the successes of Hidden Figures, LEGO Batman, and Get Out.
GitS probably would’ve flopped regardless, there was too much backlash against it to succeed.
I was a TV fan way back in 90s.. lol!
I’m pretty sure it will do better if they have keep it in January date. Vin Diesel is not a real threat outside Fast and Furious but his movie is always being saved by China..
Resident Evil and Underworld are not so much of a competition..
Power Rangers is the only sci – fi movie that can appeal both to youngsters and adult… so Yeah, it will earn more in January
Oh yeah, I forgot about XXX! Who watched that anyway? ๐
But as for Power Rangers, I grew up merely watching Jungle Fury. I wasn’t the biggest fan, so the movie didn’t catch my attention until the second trailer.
I dunno, did you see it?
Nope. I knew it was going to suck, but that was from January’s reputation of being a dump month.
Vin Diesel is not really much getting a nod in domestic outside Fast and Furious movie… I observed, China really loves him regardless of any movie he is in.
Kinda sucks, he’s not a bad actor. I think the only other roles I know him for playing are The Iron Giant and Groot from GOTG.
i think he is good. we dont see much of him in other movies
When you put it that way, it makes a bit more sense. Hidden Figures would still be a strong competitor (especially with its strong legs), but Power Rangers could’ve made a close second.
Would that also apply to overseas, as well? It at least made up to $80 Million here, but it bombed outside the US.
Power Rangers pulled 40 million in its initial release behind BTAB which is also a sci-fi movie, that is huge..
Hidden Figures is not SCI-Fi. I believe Power Ranger can overtake it and pulled a number 1 spot.. And there was not really a huge movie in those months.. So being marketed overseas, it can pull some numbers..
I agree with August month too.
It’s not, but it does appeal to teenagers and adults, same with Power Rangers. With HF’s better reception and timeless message, it would still run circles around PR.
But… but.. March wad filled with biggest movies and mostly were SCI-Fi..
And January or February.. only have Hidden Figures to worry about… not other 4 big movies in March…
That’s true.
Every month is very populated with great movies but it is the only one that is SCi-Fi and the rest are not.. If you want to target a certain demogrpahic.. like men– adult and young.. you put it in a month which a movie of less SCI-FI competition..
March is populated with powerful movies: Wolverine, Kong, BTAB and Boss Baby.. Wolverine is a known franchise .. Hugh J delivers it which develop over the years with Xmen and franchise series of Wolverine.. Kong is a well known- I was thinking that it maybe gross over 800 million. BTAB is a beloved Disney and 124 millions views of Trailer on the next 24 hours is a red flag – that alone is HUGE RED FLAG especially Emma Watson stars in a movie with her strongest demographic- targeting children and family. Her weakness is a drama or thriller movie.. unless it is a good one.. but she is getting not good one is small movies.
Boss Baby is like– well someone says this. a Baby Putin.. cute..
I was surprised at how Boss Baby exceeded expectations. I knew that it would do well, but knocking BaTB off the #1 spot seemed like a laughable prediction.
That movie was pretty mediocre, Dreamworks has made far better. Maybe Captain Underpants will be good.
Yeah, Boss Baby slows down BTAB in Box office. Likewise with BTAB impede Logan and Kong in Box office.. One effect the others..I guess that is what happened with GIST and Power Rangers.. so having Life and Chips.. in — well.. you know the rest of the story..It may happened again with all this movies in May, June and July..
Fast and Furious really is happy without competition, though ..i doubt it will reach 1.5 this time around.. BTAB and Fast and Furious are fighting in box office in Japan but they target different genre.. i think both will win.. They already did.. Both movies gross 1 billion.. Kudos to their studio who are very much sleeping in bed of money..
At this point, animation movies have become a safe bet for the studios as family audience just love them. Captain Underpants will also make good amount of money too as it combines it with audience’s other favorite genre : superheroes.
Then again, a superhero movie like Power Rangers at 100$ million should have also been a blockbuster. It even got better cinemascore than Logan but strange no one gone to see it.
”Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie” wasn’t good.
Yes, August is better month for it..
Still surprised with GIST.. considering ScarJo popularity with Iron Man franchise, Captain America and Avengers.. still due to overpopulated market?
That, and I believe there are several other reasons:
The Whitewashing Controversy – I understand both sides of this issue, but this killed part of the film’s publicity.
Anime Adaptations are taboo towards fans, mostly thanks to the crapfest that is Dragonball Evolution (I think Speed Racer is underrated tho)
And GitS’ source material is niche to the general public, despite being an example of anime’s evolution over the years. Even Roger Ebert agreed that GitS as is wouldn’t be popluar in the mainstream market.
Final Fantasy is going to be a good adaptation.. but it needs at least 2-3 popular character to fly.. and make it a franchise with good marketing
I agree. Wouldn’t be surprised if this year will have a pretty extreme mix of both some of the biggest hits ever and some of the biggest flops/bombs ever. Also wouldn’t be surprised if some hoped-for big flicks will still make tons of money, but perform well below expectations (“Justice League” or POTC I could see falling into that category). Honestly, it’s not nearly as much about names, so much as it is brand/image and overall reviews from critics and early audiences.
The P & A for The Circle has to be huge. It’s been all over L.A. now for weeks. That right there will kick it into flop status.
I think it will gross 15 to 17 million total by the end of sunday or monday, it is on its second week. It may be end up with total of 25 million or 30 million before it thearetical ends if my estimates are not wrong.. and only if it will stay for a month or two. I just saw it today, surprise i thought i was alone. Lol! There are some people who really watch it. The story is what is happening now. Acting wise, Karen is good. Emma has strong points but needs some improvement on others. As for Tom Hanks, he is really good.
It gross 9 million.. with an 18 million budget. It is not bad. Considering with a Cinemascore of D and negative review.. The movie is not really competitive for market viewing.
It would be bad for a high budge